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Title: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: tempest63 on January 03, 2010, 09:21 AM
Does anyone know where I cam lay my hand on some Kashmiri chilli seeds? I thought I would like to give them a go this year.

T63
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: fridgedoc on March 29, 2010, 10:50 PM
Hi Tempest

I have grown chilli plants from dried chillies so pop along o your local Indian shop and buy some dried chillies......simples tskkkkk!!!!

regards

fridgedoc
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: goncalo on March 04, 2013, 05:05 PM
Hi Tempest

I have grown chilli plants from dried chillies so pop along o your local Indian shop and buy some dried chillies......simples tskkkkk!!!!

regards

fridgedoc

Could you please clarify?

I too would like to grow kashmiri chillies, but I can't seem to source fresh or dried ones locally... I've picked something that looked like, but I can't tell for sure -- it was the chinese emporium. Color-wise and shape-wise they are similar. Is there anything you can do to differentiate?
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: Salvador Dhali on March 04, 2013, 06:15 PM
Hi Tempest

I have grown chilli plants from dried chillies so pop along o your local Indian shop and buy some dried chillies......simples tskkkkk!!!!

regards

fridgedoc

Could you please clarify?

I too would like to grow kashmiri chillies, but I can't seem to source fresh or dried ones locally... I've picked something that looked like, but I can't tell for sure -- it was the chinese emporium. Color-wise and shape-wise they are similar. Is there anything you can do to differentiate?

Kashmiri chillies are very distinctive in both dry and fresh form (though I've never seen them for sale fresh). When dried they have a particulalry gnarly appearance:

(http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/imagehost/pics/a6d61666bebdc88775d1bb5432807d54.jpg) (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/imagehost/#a6d61666bebdc88775d1bb5432807d54.jpg)

Thy're dead easy to grow from seed harvested from dried Kashmiris, and you can get hold of them from most Asian supermarkets/shops or online at various places: http://www.spicesofindia.co.uk/acatalog/Fudco-Kashmiri-Chilli-Peppers-Whole.html (http://www.spicesofindia.co.uk/acatalog/Fudco-Kashmiri-Chilli-Peppers-Whole.html)

Here's what they look like fresh (the Kashmiris are the long green ones in the middle and edge, and they're green as they were the last of my harvest last year before the cold weather set in. A few days on the window sill and they ripen nicely to a gorgeous deep red):

(http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/imagehost/pics/b2f2da1f4a3c1cd8c1efe21038a4922c.jpg) (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/imagehost/#b2f2da1f4a3c1cd8c1efe21038a4922c.jpg)
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: goncalo on March 04, 2013, 08:49 PM
Hi Tempest

I have grown chilli plants from dried chillies so pop along o your local Indian shop and buy some dried chillies......simples tskkkkk!!!!

regards

fridgedoc

Could you please clarify?

I too would like to grow kashmiri chillies, but I can't seem to source fresh or dried ones locally... I've picked something that looked like, but I can't tell for sure -- it was the chinese emporium. Color-wise and shape-wise they are similar. Is there anything you can do to differentiate?

Kashmiri chillies are very distinctive in both dry and fresh form (though I've never seen them for sale fresh). When dried they have a particulalry gnarly appearance:

(http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/imagehost/pics/a6d61666bebdc88775d1bb5432807d54.jpg) (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/imagehost/#a6d61666bebdc88775d1bb5432807d54.jpg)

Thy're dead easy to grow from seed harvested from dried Kashmiris, and you can get hold of them from most Asian supermarkets/shops or online at various places: http://www.spicesofindia.co.uk/acatalog/Fudco-Kashmiri-Chilli-Peppers-Whole.html (http://www.spicesofindia.co.uk/acatalog/Fudco-Kashmiri-Chilli-Peppers-Whole.html)

Here's what they look like fresh (the Kashmiris are the long green ones in the middle and edge, and they're green as they were the last of my harvest last year before the cold weather set in. A few days on the window sill and they ripen nicely to a gorgeous deep red):

(http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/imagehost/pics/b2f2da1f4a3c1cd8c1efe21038a4922c.jpg) (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/imagehost/#b2f2da1f4a3c1cd8c1efe21038a4922c.jpg)

Wow, Thanks Salvador!

I have those green chillies in my fridge, so I'm a little surprised no one in the asian stores ever knows that they are kashmiri. One time, I was talking directly to a supplier of the asian store who himself was from kashmir and he couldn't recognize them and they had those green ones in the store. I presume kashmiri may just be the name used in the asian grocers in britain?
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: Garabi Army on March 04, 2013, 09:20 PM
I've sown some of these seeds today using Chris's method http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php/topic,11647.0.html (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php/topic,11647.0.html) I always thought you needed to use fresh seeds.
I got my Kashmiri chillies from Spices of India, there's loads of seeds when you open them up. I really hope this method works as I love the flavour of Kashmiri's.

Cheers,
Ken
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on March 04, 2013, 09:43 PM
I presume Kashmiri may just be the name used in the Asian grocers in Britain?

Quite possibly.  Certainly Dr J S Pruthi makes no mention of the term in his 1973 "Spices and Condiments".  However, one thing that he does report may well bear on the reputation of Kashmiri chillies as being both an intense, saturated, red and at the same time relatively mild : "Recently, successful attempts have been made at the IARI, New Delhi, to obtain induced chilli mutants containing high pungency or capsaicin content but low carotenoid pigments that are also high-yielding.  This will facilitate the extraction of capsaicin from such yellow or cream-coloured chillies since otherwise red pigments do interfere and delay its extraction".

** Phil.
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: goncalo on March 04, 2013, 10:14 PM
Thanks Phil and Garabi Army!

I'm gonna follow that method too! my plan is to grow coriander, kashmiri chillies and peppers, but I'll start with the kashmiri chillies :-)
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: markh3565 on March 04, 2013, 10:32 PM
I've got loads of Kashmiri seeds PM me your address and I'll pop a handful in the post, grew a load last year and dried a big bag full.

They defo grow from dried seeds as thats how I started my first batch

Anyhow I've not posted for months, just too busy at work you know how it goes.

Cheers

Mark
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: StoneCut on March 05, 2013, 09:52 AM
I've got loads of Kashmiri seeds PM me your address and I'll pop a handful in the post, grew a load last year and dried a big bag full.

They defo grow from dried seeds as thats how I started my first batch

Anyhow I've not posted for months, just too busy at work you know how it goes.

Cheers

Mark
Would you send some to Germany ? I can return the favour with some of our local specialties (anything customs allows).
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on March 05, 2013, 10:10 AM
Would you send some to Germany ? I can return the favour with some of our local specialties (anything customs allows).

I can strongly recommend J
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: markh3565 on March 05, 2013, 06:08 PM

Would you send some to Germany ? I can return the favour with some of our local specialties (anything customs allows).
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Hi Stonecut

Yeah happy to send some to Germany ;D

I'll look into it tomorrow when I pop down the post office, let you know if customs allow it :-X :-X
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: StoneCut on March 06, 2013, 01:34 PM
Excellent, markh3563. I'm looking forward to your reply.
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: markh3565 on March 06, 2013, 07:14 PM
Hi Stonecut

PM me your address and I'll send some over, post office just changed hands so didn't really know if custom would bulk at it so going to send it anyway
Cheers M
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: StoneCut on March 07, 2013, 04:22 PM
Done, thank you very much!
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: h4ppy-chris on March 08, 2013, 11:56 AM
BIG thanks Mark, got the seeds today.  :) :) ;)
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: markh3565 on March 08, 2013, 09:08 PM
BIG thanks Mark, got the seeds today.  :) :) ;)

No worries, put them on a damp piece of loo roll in a T/A container with the lid on and leave in a warm place with sun light - will start to germinate in a week or so then transfer to a small pot of compost - keep us posted
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: h4ppy-chris on March 09, 2013, 11:24 AM
BIG thanks Mark, got the seeds today.  :) :) ;)

No worries, put them on a damp piece of loo roll in a T/A container with the lid on and leave in a warm place with sun light - will start to germinate in a week or so then transfer to a small pot of compost - keep us posted

Will do Mark. Going to use hydroponics.  ;)
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: goncalo on March 13, 2013, 09:41 PM
thanks Mark, I've received your package with the seeds. I must start researching how to use them :-)
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: h4ppy-chris on March 15, 2013, 04:46 PM
1st seed pop its head though today Mark.  :) how do you dry your chillis out Mark?
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: markh3565 on March 15, 2013, 07:53 PM
1st seed pop its head though today Mark.  :) how do you dry your chillis out Mark?

Happy days - above the Aga 8) 8)
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: StoneCut on March 18, 2013, 10:08 AM
Mark, did you send some to me ? So far nothing has arrived.
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on March 18, 2013, 10:24 AM
Mark, did you send some to me ? So far nothing has arrived.

Currently being subjected to a forensic examination by a joint operation consisting of members of the Bundespolizei, the TSA and a hand-picked team of Zoll- und Steuerbeamteren :)
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: commis on March 18, 2013, 05:55 PM
Hi
Got mine thanks, sharing them with my brother. He's the one with the green fingers. Then I'll save the seeds and share on.
Regards
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: markh3565 on March 18, 2013, 08:45 PM
Mark, did you send some to me ? So far nothing has arrived.

Hi StoneCut - yeah sent them at the same time as I posted Commis's

Hang in there for a couple of days if nothing shows I'll send some more!!!
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: markh3565 on March 18, 2013, 08:46 PM
Mark, did you send some to me ? So far nothing has arrived.

Currently being subjected to a forensic examination by a joint operation consisting of members of the Bundespolizei, the TSA and a hand-picked team of Zoll- und Steuerbeamteren :)

Think you might be onto something there!!!
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: StoneCut on March 19, 2013, 01:23 PM
Haha, thanks Mark. I'll be expecting the blue lights as I turn into our street later, then ;)
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: markh3565 on March 19, 2013, 09:08 PM
Haha, thanks Mark. I'll be expecting the blue lights as I turn into our street later, then ;)

No worries glad they arrived safely - keep us posted on progress 8) 8)
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: StoneCut on March 20, 2013, 08:21 AM
They're not there yet. I was referring to german customs probably not knowing what type of seeds they are and was expecting a raid at home (thinking they're some Killer-Marijuana or whatever they might think it is). But - no seeds yet.
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: goncalo on March 20, 2013, 10:20 AM
They're not there yet. I was referring to german customs probably not knowing what type of seeds they are and was expecting a raid at home (thinking they're some Killer-Marijuana or whatever they might think it is). But - no seeds yet.

I wonder if kashmiri chillies are smokeable?
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: spiceyokooko on March 20, 2013, 10:54 AM
I wonder if kashmiri chillies are smokeable?

I would think so yes, but I'd question why you'd want to. Just get some smoked paprika, it will do essentially the same thing.

Chipotle is basically just smoked dried jalapeno's.
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on March 20, 2013, 10:58 AM
I wonder if kashmiri chillies are smokeable?

I would think so yes, but I'd question why you'd want to. Just get some smoked paprika, it will do essentially the same thing.  Chipotle is basically just smoked dried jalapeno's.

"Smokable" : capable of being inserted into a cigarette paper, pipe,  hookah, etc., then lit and inhaled. Don't even think of it : I once accidentally burned ground chillies in a little cottage called Tiplog near Ambleside in the Lake District.  The fumes are beyond belief, and I think it took almost half an hour before I could breathe normally again.

** Phil.
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: goncalo on March 20, 2013, 11:34 AM
Sorry guys, I should have added the (http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-prn1/50265_263510054624_1616583_q.jpg) (http://www.sarcmark.com) at the end of my phrase... :)
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: StoneCut on March 20, 2013, 07:04 PM
Many thanks, Mark. When I arrived home today there was a nice little plastic bag with the seeds waiting for me :)
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: Donstu on October 25, 2020, 09:28 PM
Hi Everyone,

I'm new to this site.. Wow, I didn't know you could grow them from store bought Dry Chillies, when is the best time to sow them?



Hi Tempest

I have grown chilli plants from dried chillies so pop along o your local Indian shop and buy some dried chillies......simples tskkkkk!!!!

regards

fridgedoc
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: livo on October 26, 2020, 02:55 AM
Hi and welcome Donstu.

Spring or possibly very late winter if you can protect them.

Your success rate may vary depending upon several factors.  I have been planting Indian variety chilli seeds recently, including Kashmiri from both bought seed and also seed from dried Indian Grocery whole chilli.  My germination success rate is low even though I've planted in early spring in an enclosed hot house on a heat mat and I'm in Australia Zone 4 (Temperate). 

So far only 3 seeds from the whole dried chillis have germinated and 2 of those were eaten off by what I think I found to be a tiny leaf-hopper. The other died from damping off I think.  One of the eaten plants is still alive and green believe it or not with only the tiniest piece of leaf left, but it has just stopped growing so I don't hold a lot of hope for it.  I've just planted another 20 seeds so I'll see how it goes this time.

From the seeds that I actually bought as Kashmiri seed my success rate is also low.  I have only 1 healthy seedling from 6 seeds.  I have again planted a few more of these as well just yesterday.  Both types of seed have taken at least 3 weeks to germinate so be patient.

If you buy a big bag you will have plenty of seed so plant heaps and cross your fingers.  You may have better success than me.

I have a few successful Rajah, 1 Pusa Jwala and 1 Mettupalayam that are just hanging on, 4 small Lal Mirch that may kick off and no success with my Byadagi so far.

I've just moved all my smaller seedlings back into the hothouse yesterday as we are presently being slammed by bad weather and torrential rain.
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: livo on December 10, 2020, 08:28 PM
After many hours of reading all I have found so far, it would appear that "Kashmiri Chilli" as we know it is not as described. Kashmiri Chilli, Kashmiri Mirch, Deggi / degi / degchi mirch, or whatever else it may labelled, when you buy Kashmiri Chilli, you are probably not getting chilli that has any connection to Kashmir.

What you are probably buying (and growing) is chilli grown in the Karnakata region and more specifically from Byadgi / Byadagi.   It is common practice to name chilli in India by region where they are grown.  Chilli grown in the region may not even be all exactly the same.

So I have plants growing at the moment that are from seed from whole dried "Kashmiri" chilli, bought Kashmiri Chilli seed and Byadagi chilli seed (both of which could be anything or probably / possibly the same) and Lal Mirch, which literally translates to Red Chilli.  As well, I have Rajah and who knows what it is?  In India, it would appear that the variety is of little value.  The things that matter are the characteristics.

Have a look at some of the youtube videos of the Byadgi / Byadagi chilli markets. Amazing footage of Indian ladies sitting cross-legged hand cleaning and sorting millions of dried red chillis while men fill hessian sacks by hand, foot and body.  The appraisal system of inspection by buyers is quite odd. Handfuls are grabbed, squeezed and thrown around in some sort of ritual to ascertain quality and determine market value.
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: livo on December 14, 2020, 09:00 AM
They are laughing at us and anybody selling "Kashmiri Chilli" is a fraudster unless it actually comes from Kashmir.   You are not going to buy it anywhere outside Kashmir.  Have a look at the website of the Indian Spice Board (Government Department) site.  There are about 5 or 6 different varieties of Chilli from around as many regions that make up nearly the total trade of Chillies in India.  Some of them are geo-tagged with a number to identify the region they are grown and the variety.  It is called the GI (Geographical Indication) number.  Not surprisingly Kashmiri Chilli does not appear to have one.

Chilli powder, no matter what you think you are getting is a blend of at least 2 varieties. They are made specifically to suite the buyer's need.  The term "Kashmiri Chilli" does not apply to Chilli from Kashmir or any other specific region.  Chillies in India have several different specifications and there is no correlation to what you buy and what it says on your packet other than the fact that it comes from India. 

Now go and have a look at the websites of the major "accredited" marketers. They all use the exact same descriptions for their Chilli products.  Exact same.

Don't take my word for it.  Have a look.  Teja S17, Sannam 334 / S4 / S10, Byadgi 668, DD, etc, etc.

There is so much disinformation and contradictory claims it is amusingly funny when you start to look into it.

I could make Corn Whiskey in my shed but I can't call it Kentucky Bourbon. Even Jack Daniels is Tennessee Whiskey. Not Kentucky Bourbon.  But apparently you can sell Chillies from anywhere in India and call it Kashmiri.
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: livo on January 08, 2021, 12:19 AM
What exactly is a Kashmiri Chilli?  We will never know!  There are 2 distinctly different and completely contradictory "descriptions".  There are so many "experts" and bloggers out there who are putting up information on the web that it is now just completely confused.  Even authorities don't appear to know exactly, but I think I'd be going with their information rather than the "foody experts" who appear to be parroting each other.

The first line is that they are mild, bright red chillis used mainly for colour and they are grown in the region of Kashmir and surrounding areas.  They apparently have low heat and mild pungency, but then there are also market descriptions of them that give Capsaicin levels as higher than the possible substitutes (see following).

The second line is that they don't actually come from Kashmir but are instead Byadgi / Byadagi / Beggi chillis that are grown in Karnataka, (or any other chillis obtained from anywhere in India that have the required mild and colorful qualities).  They don't even know how to spell the name of the town Byadagi / Byadgi, and most bloggers cover themselves by using both.  Even Google maps has used both, which makes you wonder if they are 2 different names or just confusion.
https://www.google.com.au/maps/place/Byadagi,+Karnataka+581106,+India/@14.6772186,75.4660748,14z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x3bb9648133b3b745:0x6f90ae5ef5373fad!8m2!3d14.6814129!4d75.4869033 (https://www.google.com.au/maps/place/Byadagi,+Karnataka+581106,+India/@14.6772186,75.4660748,14z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x3bb9648133b3b745:0x6f90ae5ef5373fad!8m2!3d14.6814129!4d75.4869033)

There is directly contradictory information about both and even Indian Government websites concerning Primary Industries and chilli growing and distribution is unclear.  I have done hours and hours of reading and researching and the 2 different and opposite explanations produce a glaring anomaly.   Even the Government chilli growing and marketing authority information has a disclaimer that says their information does not reflect the position of the Indian Government. Say what???  Only in India!!

I have recently purchased 2 different 1 kg bags of Whole Dried Kashmiri Chilli and the chillis that come in the bags are completely different is shape, size and colour.  I'm yet to have a nibble to test the flavor and heat level.  So far only seed from 1 packet has germinated and I still have only 1 plant growing from the batch I already had here in my pantry, (again different in appearance).

The fact is that with these 2 contradictory ideas, no one will ever be certain what the Kashmiri Chilli in the packet actually is.

The other interesting thing is that it is reported that some less scrupulous chilli grinders add wood pulp. Probably best to buy whole and grind your own.
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: livo on January 09, 2021, 09:27 PM
Just as a bit more to add here.  Early last year a seed supplier was able to provide me with one pack of Kashmiri Chilli seed after I made specific inquiry.  They have since been out of stock.  I waited till late winter to plant them.  From this pack, I have ended up with only 1 plant which is now very healthy, about half a meter tall and has several green pods.  The plant itself is a lighter green than most of the other varieties I have.

Yesterday I noticed a small insect hole in a pod that had begun to brown around the hole, so to avoid risk of disease I removed the pod.  It could be a true Kashmiri Chilli or at the very least conform to the low heat description. I tasted it and in the green / unripe stage there is zero heat or pungency.  Even chewing the seeds and placenta tissue had zero chilli sting.  In fact it was pretty much flavourless other than being like a green capsicum.

I now have 3 different types of Kashmiri Chilli plants from differently sourced seed including this one I've just discussed.  I also have the survivor of decapitation from the seeds of the whole dried chilli I had in my pantry.  It is still clinging to life and finally growing slowly. I have not been able to germinate another seed from this batch.  I also have the newly bought 1 kg whole dried pack (Selco brand) which is proving very easy to germinate and I have about 60 seedlings already.  The other brand I bought 1 kg whole dried (Athira) has zero germination so far but I'll keep trying.

It will be very interesting to make comparisons between the 3 different varieties, all supposedly Kashmiri, and also to compare them to the other Indians I have, particularly the Byadgi/Byadagi/Beggi, which some people claim is what we are actually buying as Kashmiri.
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: livo on January 09, 2021, 10:27 PM
Government of India
Ministry of Agriculture
Directorate of Marketing and Inspection
Post Harvest Profile 2009

Major Commercial Varieties by Zone

North Zone #9 Jammu and Kashmir

NP-46-A
Ratna Red
California Wonder

(The Government of India should not be regarded as assuming responsibility for any
of the statements contained in this profile.
)
https://agmarknet.gov.in/Others/preface-chhilli.pdf (https://agmarknet.gov.in/Others/preface-chhilli.pdf)


Some more interesting reading:

"There is a misconception among people outside Kashmir that Kashmiri chillies are less spicy and are mostly used to impart colour. In reality, it is quite the opposite. Kashmir chillies are used for their spiciness while the other varieties like the Shimla , Punjabi and the Pepsi (name given because the shape of the chilli which usually is imported from Rajasthan resembles a Pepsi bottle) are the ones that are used for their colour
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on January 22, 2021, 08:21 AM

Some more interesting reading:

"There is a misconception among people outside Kashmir that Kashmiri chillies are less spicy and are mostly used to impart colour. In reality, it is quite the opposite. Kashmir chillies are used for their spiciness while the other varieties like the Shimla , Punjabi and the Pepsi (name given because the shape of the chilli which usually is imported from Rajasthan resembles a Pepsi bottle) are the ones that are used for their colour
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: Onions on January 22, 2021, 11:52 AM
I've always used Kashmiri chilli for its smokey favour rather than any brain-boiling heat.
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: livo on January 22, 2021, 10:58 PM
This is the dilemma.  There are the 2 opposing sides to the descriptions offered and there is an abundance of both, much of which is word for word parroted among the different sources. 

On the one hand Kashmiri Chilli is claimed to be not spicey and used for colour. On the other is the claim that chilli grown in Kashmir is spicy and the products sold as Kashmiri Chilli Powder and whole dried Kashmiri Chilli are not actually from Kashmir at all, but are most likely Byadagi / Byadgi / Beggi and even more likely (as with most powders at least) a blend of chillis sourced from multiple regions.

I doubt we will ever really know.  I will send and email to my local spice merchant and leading authority, Ian from Herbie's. It will be interesting to see what he has to say about it.  I have researched the actual types (cultivars) of chillis grown in India including Geographical Indication listings, the ratings in Schoville, Percentage Capsaicine and ASTA Colour value.

From the Spices Board of India (Gov't of India):

Byadagi (Kaddi)
ASTA Colour Value 159.9
Capsaicine - Negligable

Kashmiri
ASTA Colour Value 54.10
Capsaicine - 0.325%

This would indicate that Kashmiri grown chilli is in fact Spicy and and has a much lower Colour Value.

https://www.indianspices.com/spice-catalog/chilli-1.html (https://www.indianspices.com/spice-catalog/chilli-1.html)
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: Garp on February 12, 2021, 03:36 PM
How are the chillies doing Livo?
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: livo on February 13, 2021, 07:59 PM
Mixed results Garp. Basically ok but there have been some big blows along the way.

It's been a very humid, wet and cloudy summer with la Nina weather pattern. Fungus problems as well as pests, in particular Pepper maggot fly, which have mainly hit the capsicum, but also a few chillis.

Then I've had to contend with critters. It seems that the Satin Bower Bird likes ripe chillis. I've caught them raiding a few times.  Then at night the possums and rats come. I started moving the plants with ripening pods into my shed overnight. One morning 40 ripe and green  pods were destroyed inside the shed.

I've still had a good supply for myself and I've built up a good collection of seed as well as dried chilli flakes.  This is all from my first 8 plants and I have many more late ones just coming on now.  A few different varieties and I'm learning a lot.
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: Garp on February 13, 2021, 11:51 PM
 :like:
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: livo on February 14, 2021, 09:40 PM
Here is a pic of my first grown "Kashmiri" Chilli. These pods are a mild chilli and the seeds were bought from a seed supplier / Chilli grower.  I have 2 other types of "Kashmiri" plants growing that have been germinated from seeds sourced in Dried Whole Kashmiri Chillis from India.  It will be interesting to see what they produce.

I'll post other pics in the main Chilli Grow thread.
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: Ghoulie on July 29, 2023, 10:37 AM
I bought some dried Kashmiri chillies some time back & experienced a bitter taste to the curry and channa dishes using them - binned. On reading up, this is not the normal taste for this type of chilli, but bitterness in chillies can be down to growing with too little water.
Decided to grow my own - so bought 2 Kashmiri Mirch plants from a UK nursery. Theses arrived in April as 3 inch plants. Come on really well and have harvested  15 chillies so far, dried and ground for future use - more to come.
Hopefully home grown will not have a bitter taste.
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: Robbo141 on July 29, 2023, 02:36 PM
Good luck ghoulie. This year we’re growing Habanada peppers for the first time.  They’re habanero but with zero heat. So you get all the fruit flavor but doesn’t kill you. I love habanero but they’re hot buggers.  Will report back once harvest starts.
Kashmiri next year if I can find seeds / plants.

Robbo
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: livo on July 30, 2023, 12:16 AM
What we actually get when we buy Kashmiri chilli is very unpredictable and unregulated.  After the extensive research and growing I did 3 -4 years ago  (pre-covid) it is most likely that we are mainly being sold Byadgi chillis instead. I have purchased 3 differently branded 1 kg bags of what were supposedly kashmiri chillis and found them to be different in shape, size, colour and heat.  I am yet to see a bag of kashmiri chilli powder that exhibits the bright glowing red of some pictures I've seen. Many of them, the best ones, go to the cosmetics industry for use as colouring.

There are hundreds if not thousands of varieties across the subcontinent and the thing is, they cross polinate.  The Indian agriculture board has several important varieties listed as recognised while many others are just lal mirch or red chillies.

Robbo, unfortunately for you, the biosecurity into US, could mean that whole chillis are treated in some way to prevent the seeds from germinating.  Here in Oz I had one bag of the 3 that produced thousands of viable seeds that produced highly prolific fruiting plants. I only had one plant from another bag and zero from the third.

We are finally in for a hot summer this year and spring is here over the last week. I'll be planting seeds today. The last 3 seasons have been washouts with excessive rain and no sun due to la nina and we finally return to el nino. Hope we don't get the bushfire but we probably will because idiots light them.  I bought some seed mix yesterday and I've been weeding out my raised garden beds.  Unfortunately, I have very few plants that have survived our first cold winter in over a decade.
Title: Re: Kashmiri chillies
Post by: Ghoulie on September 05, 2023, 11:32 AM
My Kashmiri chillis are growing well, harvested some & used in curries - not a hint of the horrible bitter taste I got from bought ones. Quite a surprisingly mild heat & reading up see they are rated as 1000 - 2000 0n scoville scale