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Really Bad British Indian Restaurants / brick lane
« on: November 21, 2022, 04:53 PM »
One place I've always wanted to visit for my curry fix is Brick Lane. Heard both good and bad things about it so I thought the only way to find out for sure is to pay a visit in person. Had a day out in London on Friday with my son so we made it our last port of call...boy was it a mistake.

There seems to be no end of restaurants to choose from, most of them have 'Best curry chef' or 'Best curry house in London' stickers proudly stuck on the front of their window, I'm sure they get these printed off from some dodgy website.

In the end we chose Aladins, had plenty of good reviews, some famous punters in the past including Gordon Ramsey and even King Charles....can't go wrong I thought.

So, the papadams came up first...stone cold...not a good start But I thought I'd give them the benefit of doubt.

Next up was a Chicken tikka korai...onions and peppers raw, dodgy chicken tikka and hardly any sauce, what was there was bland.

I ordered a Chicken tikka pathia balti...awful....tasteless chicken tikka, runny gravy with no onions/peppers and sauce that tasted nothing like a pathia, no sweetness, heat, really poor.

The onion bhajis we had were even worse, more like stodgy pakoras, nothing like the light crispy ones my local place give me.

Don't know who writes the reviews for this place but I can honestly say one of the worst curries I've had in a very long time!!!!!



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Lets Talk Curry / Re: Chef Din: 1970's BIR
« on: November 25, 2021, 04:35 PM »
It's interesting to note how much emphasis in flavour terms Chef Din places on his gravy;almost to the point that you could just put some of his gravy in a pan with some chicken and you've already got yourself a chicken curry.The popular notion that the base gravy should be neutral, or even blandish is not something that Chef Din employs, totally the opposite in fact.

I've had a few samples of genuine BIR gravy over the years that have been packed with flavour, maybe this is the difference between an average curry house and an exeptional one.I'm certainly looking forward to giving his gravy and some of his recipes a go.His gravy certainly looks the part from what I've seen on his videos, especially the oilly film on the top-good to see he spoons the excess oil off to start his curries (the 'magic' spiced oil?).

As far as the solitary potato in the vindaloo, I don't think this has much to do with the 'vin' (vinegar) and 'aloo' (potato), rather it was a device invented so that a busy waiter could work out what dishes were what on his trolly.I guess a madras and a vindaloo look pretty similar so a potato sitting in the dish would help him sort things out.



 

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Talk About Anything Other Than Curry / Re: Is there anybody out there?
« on: November 16, 2021, 11:12 AM »
Good to see you're still about Pete and still cooking.There is so much info on BIR cooking these days its unbelievable.When I think back to when this site first started-and even before that-think the site was called 'Into curry' or something....the whole BIR process was top secret, chefs were very reluctant to give any info out and some of the methods people were posting were plainly wrong.

I like the look of Chef Din's recipes, his gravy is next on my to do list.It does look similar to one of Julian's, actually when I originally had my home lessons my chef told me that they used to drop a whole chicken into the gravy so I know it's been done in the past.A lovely restaurant I used to go to had the option to have your main dish with either breast meat or dark meat...maybe this was the technique they were using with their base gravy.Does any remember Ghanna on here?  If I remember correctly many years ago she found out here local curry house were putting some sort of chicken jelly/stock/bones in theier garvy...I think she was a vegetarian and so was most upset.



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Lets Talk Curry / Re: couple of videos
« on: April 06, 2021, 07:22 AM »
Sadly my own local takeaway(the one where I was allowed in the kitchen) has rapidly gone downhill. The chef has moved on, portions have got smaller and the food is really not as good.

Sad to hear  Vindaloo has now joined the ranks of many of our local curry houses.  Their brinjal bhaji was one of the best I have tasted.  In spite of the poor Keema naan, you certainly took away more than just their food and shared every bit of it with us.  I do hope the other local TA you refer to is not "Captain Korma"  :omg:

Hi Curryhell glad to see you're still about.No not the Captain Korma-I have tried that and wasn't that impressed,the standard has certainly dropped in most places round here.

The one in question is called The Burning Desire in Tilbury.Not much to look at from the outside but the food is lovely.

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Lets Talk Curry / Re: couple of videos
« on: February 25, 2021, 08:24 PM »
I can't believe the amount of forums, videos, facebook sites etc that are now out there sharing info about BIR cooking, When I think back to when I started cooking(over 30 years ago) there was very little stuff available and really no dedicated cook books.
I do wonder though how many of these authors have actually set foot in a genuine kitchen and know what really goes on. Having said that there is now a lot of great info readily available for free and a lot of great youtube videos...particularly like Syeed's videos and techniques.

Sadly my own local takeaway(the one where I was allowed in the kitchen) has rapidly gone downhill. The chef has moved on, portions have got smaller and the food is really not as good. Literally had the worst keema naan bread I've ever had recently-time to move on. I do however have another takeaway that's reopened not far away-the place doesn't look that good from the outside but the food is wonderful. I'm now quite good friends with chef so hopefully another kitchen visit maybe on the cards!


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Lets Talk Curry / couple of videos
« on: February 25, 2021, 08:10 PM »
Hi people,

I haven't posted anything for some time, although I do usually have a nose around from time to time to see what's happening. I'm still obsessed with everything BIR and am always on the hunt for any new info, thought I'd share a couple of things I've found that may be of interest. The first one caught my attention, the guy looks to be an old master at making curry, I would imagine the whole spices in the recipe would produce a very tasty gravy. Never seen cashew nut go into a gravy, I would guess if that's how he did it in his restaurant then the nut content would be a problem for any allergy sufferers though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpqMBueLBtI&t=4s

This guy is also very good, here he actually cooks a full size base gravy. Notice the garlic tarka he adds at the end, similar to how I was shown in one of my restaurant  lessons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCiAX8xfTBM



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Just watched syed's latest video showing how to cook service onions. Identical to my local chef's version, even down to using ajwain seeds. I used to see these seeds in my local shop and never really knew how BIR chefs might use them, that is until I was allowed to see my chef cook in the kitchen. If anyone has any doubts that syed's recipes are not genuine I can say this one again is spot on.

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Phil - thanks very much for pointing to the recipe for JB's potatoes.

On the Britishian Food channel, I see that the SIMPLEST RECIPE FOR FAMOUS CHICKEN TIKKA DUPIAZA is due to 'premiere' in 2 hours time at 2pm today (12 June)

It looks superb but why does he stress the words 'simplest' and 'simple' in so many of his recipes? It's a real turn-off, causing me to fear they've all been redesigned to taste less well than they did when he worked in the restaurant. Wouldn't it be better if he used words like 'best' and 'tastiest'. And made sure the recipes taste at least as good as the restaurant versions. They probably are as good. It's just the use of the word 'simplest' which has me concerned.

I haven't watched the latest dupiaza video. I know Syed uses the 'simple' phrase quite a lot. I think he's just saying that his videos are straight forward, nothing complicated compared to some of the long winded and so called 'genuine' BIR's out there. I've watched my own takeaway chef cook countless dupiazas, he doesn't have a special onion sauce or in fact pre cooked chunky onions, he cuts them for every dish and deep fries them in the onion bhaji fryer(another level of flavour)-He also does this for the onions and peppers for his balti dishes.

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There's certainly a lot of info and videos coming out at the moment. When I think back to my first attempts at takeaway cooking, some thirty years ago information like this just did not exist,chefs were so secretive and actually getting into a kitchen was impossible.

I have no idea if this guy is a genuine BIR chef, however his tomato puree and pre cooked onions method is exactly how my local chef prepares his. I watched him cook the tomato puree once, I initially thought the tub I had seen was some sort of massala sauce,but for some reason he cooks it. I'm guessing it's another level  of flavour and he hasn't got to wait to cook the tomato puree out on a busy service.

Same goes for the pre cooked onions. When I first starting visiting the kitchen they had a large tub of 'raw service' onions. Next time I went they had cooked them, the Chef simply explained that they were so busy they couldn't keep up cooking dishes waiting for the raw onions to cook.


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He's very busy making these videos, enjoyed the latest one, a special mint curry. So simple but looks very nice. I wonder if he has any more 'Chef specials' he will show us. They always look exotic with 'special secret ingredients' when they appear on your local restaurant menu but usually they're nothing more than basic curries tweaked with a couple of pre made sauces or tweaks. I think he's great, I hope he gets the support he deserves..I wonder if he's still involved in a restaurant now?

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