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Re: Is Climate Change real?
« Reply #30 on: August 10, 2019, 10:49 AM »
"Afore ye go" — Could you point me at some small part of this " huge amount of peer-reviewed stuff out there that questions the causes of CC" ?  IMHO, Nature does not have "an agenda" — it publishes what its reviewers recommend, and rejects what its reviewers reject.  Perhaps some reviewers have an agenda (this is almost certainly the case) but others do not and will give an honest assessment of any paper submitted for possible publication.

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Re: Is Climate Change real?
« Reply #31 on: August 10, 2019, 02:30 PM »
Phil, Please forgive me if I don’t. It takes too much time. If you take that as an indication that my points are groundless, that’s perfectly ok. It’s all the same to me.  :)

If you have spare time, you can always look for some yourself. Maybe worth trying different search engines, as some search engine algorithms may prioritise some results and sources.

I feel bad to leave the debate, again.. but there are three outcomes in these “internet discussion” situations:

1. The other person one is debating has pre-conceived opinions that can never be changed.
2. The other person realises that everything they believed before might not be totally true and gets angry, defensive, or worse.
3.  The other person realises that everything they believed in before might not be totally true and sends you 100£ as thanks.

Whatever the result, I can afford my own beer this weekend. Enjoy yours :)



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Re: Is Climate Change real?
« Reply #32 on: August 10, 2019, 03:09 PM »
[T]here are three outcomes in these “internet discussion” situations:

1. The other person one is debating has pre-conceived opinions that can never be changed.
2. The other person realises that everything they believed before might not be totally true and gets angry, defensive, or worse.
3.  The other person realises that everything they believed in before might not be totally true and sends you 100£ as thanks.

I think that there are more.  The other person may (for example) believe that climate change is (a) real, and (b) at least in part, a result of human activity (or. in the case of governments, lack of activity).  But that same person may be perfectly willing to accept that there are peer-reviewed papers, published in reputable academic journals, that appear to contradict these beliefs.

When such a person is told "there is a huge amount of peer-reviewed stuff out there that questions the causes of CC", then the most probable response is "I believe you.  But as you are already aware of this stuff, and I am not, can you point me at some of it, please".  If the other party then responds "Please forgive me if I don’t. It takes too much time", then the first person is  likely to respond "OK, if it is too much trouble, then that's fine by me.  Whilst I'm very open to being shewn evidence that contradicts my beliefs, I'm far less inclined to blindly accept a statement along the lines of 'the evidence is out there, but you'll need to search for it'".  I therefore make that response.

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Re: Is Climate Change real?
« Reply #33 on: August 12, 2019, 03:26 PM »
There is a book of essays written by climate change sceptics. Go to Amazon and look for James Delingpole. You will see his book called "Climate Change - The Facts". 4 quid for a Kindle book.  It will give you an insight into the views and arguments put forward by the sceptics.

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« Reply #34 on: August 12, 2019, 05:41 PM »
You would really want us to believe a prick like Delingpole, or any of his cronies, over countless scientists?

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Re: Is Climate Change real?
« Reply #35 on: August 12, 2019, 09:19 PM »
There is a book of essays written by climate change sceptics. Go to Amazon and look for James Delingpole. You will see his book called "Climate Change - The Facts".

The fact that someone calls their book "X - The Facts" does not, of itself, meany anything.  Anyone can claim to write "the facts", but whether or not something truly is factual is best judged by others, not by the author.

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It will give you an insight into the views and arguments put forward by the sceptics.

I do not dispute for one second dispute that the sceptics have sincerely-held views; however, unless and until they are willing to submit those views to peer review, they remain just views.  For myself, I prefer to believe those who do submit their ideas for peer review, and in particular those whose works are acknowledged by their peers as being of outstanding merit.  I do not think that Mr Delingpole's work meets either of these criteria.

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Re: Is Climate Change real?
« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2019, 11:37 PM »
You would really want us to believe a prick like Delingpole, or any of his cronies, over countless scientists?


I didn't get that from Swandro's post at all.  He's not saying it is "fact". He is merely pointing out that the collection of essays exists. I can tell you the bible and the koran exist. That doesn't mean I believe or have even read them.  When considering anything it is important to obtain a balanced view of the countering sides of the argument.  Simply believing scientists because they are scientists is a bit sheepish.  Peer review is not necessarily scrutinising.  Scientific and medical studies can and have been deliberately structured to obtain the desired outcome.  Powerful and wealthy people and governments have vested interests and the little man will never truly know if he is being fed real information or propaganda.

We are presently copping the best antarctic blasts we've had in years.  -1'C at my house in the lower Hunter Valley 2 nights ago and 0'C last night with only 2 weeks of winter to go.  I would say though that our winters generally, are not a cold as 20 years ago and our summers are hot as they have always been.  Recent record breaking heat in the northern hemisphere is certainly suggesting climate change exists for sure.  Anthropogenic or not and / or  to what degree, who really knows?   Try to tell China and India they can't burn coal.

If the vast majority of the educated global population is of the consensus that we are the cause of the problem, then we are certainly dragging the chain in doing anything about it.  I believe the biggest problem is not just the activities of humans but the sheer number of us on the planet.  When dealing with farmed animals, the biggest contributing factor to healthy survival is the size of the populated area in relation to the population.  It doesn't matter if the area and feed is easily sufficient, but tip it the other way just a little bit and you have big problems.
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Re: Is Climate Change real?
« Reply #37 on: August 15, 2019, 11:42 AM »
You dont need to be a rocket scientist to know the climate is getting warmer, no more perma frost to kill the ants, frozen cream not forming mushrooms on milk bottles, 1963 we had snow on the ground from boxing day to April.
Like a big train once it gets out of control stopping it before it comes off the rails is not going to be easy and we i feel are loading it up for our kids to stop.


 



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