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Title: chives
Post by: oscar on September 06, 2006, 09:40 PM
just tasted my daughters takeaway curry sauce that came with tandoori chicken. plenty of  finely chopped chives ;) also being a restaurant owner, on my trips to the local cash &carry i always notice that the bir guys  have a case of carnation brand condensed milk on the trolley
Title: Re: chives
Post by: Yousef on September 06, 2006, 09:51 PM
Oscar,

Welcome thanks for this information i was under the impression that the Chefs used Chives in the curry then when i looked into it it turned out to be chopped coriander stalks, which give a very strong kick in the finished dish.

Not sure about condensed milk though, maybe for desserts...

S
Title: Re: chives
Post by: oscar on September 06, 2006, 10:12 PM
amin. yeah could be coriander stalks,but could taste chives aswell. on a different note ,iwas given a box of s&b japanese curry sauce concentrate anybody tried this
Title: Re: chives
Post by: John on September 07, 2006, 06:21 PM
Not sure about condensed milk though, maybe for desserts...

I've seen bir's use condensed milk in kormas and passandas.
I too have used condensed milk in a korma which tasted just like a bir's.
Title: Re: chives
Post by: Ashes on September 09, 2006, 06:25 AM
If youve ever made Kulfi indian ice-cream youll know that when you reduce the milk by half, it tastes like Carnation condensed milk which i presume is all that condensed milk is. Indians love the taste and is probably used in ice-creams and mild curries like korma.
Title: Re: chives
Post by: laynebritton on September 09, 2006, 11:04 AM
They also use this type of milk in their tea they fill a saucepan with a whole tin of carnation milk then add cardamom pods, sugar and tea bags and let it simmer I have tasted it and it's to sickly for me but I gather that is how most Indians make their tea.
Layne ;)
Title: Re: chives
Post by: traveller on September 09, 2006, 02:02 PM
I can say for sure, being an indian, that is not how any indian i know makes tea, not in the US, UK, or India!!! Please do not make assumptions like that without any true knowledge.
Title: Re: chives
Post by: laynebritton on September 09, 2006, 02:26 PM
Hey calm Down
when I was at a friends home this is how HE made it OK !
and he WAS Indian.
And Further more I Don't make assumptions I know what I seen with my own eyes. >:(


Title: Re: chives
Post by: Cory Ander on September 09, 2006, 02:51 PM
Firstly, regarding chives, I have found the same as Stew.  I also thought that the little stalks in my special fried rice were chives but, upon looking more closely, I found that they were actually finely chopped coriander stalks.  They were really sweet and tasty and seemed to have absorbed quite a lot of oil!

Secondly, regarding condensed milk.  Same as John.  I also use it in kormas and pasandas.  It not only gives them a creamy sweetness, but it also gives them a similar texture to BIRs.....used fairly sparingly though, cos it's really thick, sweet, stuff!  Not to be confused with evaporated milk though.  I use this too.

Thirdy, I might just try using condensed milk in my tea as Layne describes  ;)
Title: Re: chives
Post by: DARTHPHALL on September 09, 2006, 02:59 PM
And fourthly, the sun is out, it's a boootifull day "get out there"! 8)
Title: Re: chives
Post by: Cory Ander on September 09, 2006, 03:01 PM
....but it's 10pm here Darthphall...YOU get out there then!!!!  ;)
Title: Re: chives
Post by: DARTHPHALL on September 09, 2006, 03:03 PM
 Lol Moonbathing  ;D 8)
Title: Re: chives
Post by: Cory Ander on September 09, 2006, 03:05 PM
.....hmmm....perhaps I should get my fat, lardy arse down to the pub though.... :P
Title: Re: chives
Post by: traveller on September 09, 2006, 07:47 PM
Hey calm Down
when I was at a friends home this is how HE made it OK !
and he WAS Indian.
And Further more I Don't make assumptions I know what I seen with my own eyes. >:(




That is honestly a first!!  I am saying this because I am indian...i think in the Uk there are lots of pakistanis and bangladeshis - perhaps it is something they do - i am not saying they do because I dont know.  it seems in the UK all asians are referred to as indians when "indians" refers to those from India only for the rest of the world.
Title: Re: chives
Post by: traveller on September 09, 2006, 08:10 PM
What i mean to say in other words is because 1 person you know does that, you cannot assume it is an "indian" thing to do.  I am sure many people can speak up and say they have never had tea made that way!  I am saying I know hundreds of indians who make tea and nobody has ever done that....maybe its a religious thing as I dont know too much about other religion's eating habits than my own.
I just dont think it is fair to generalize like that.
Title: Re: chives
Post by: DARTHPHALL on September 09, 2006, 09:08 PM
iM A DARK lord & i take my Tea strong with 3 sugars please  ;D
Title: Re: chives
Post by: CurryCanuck on September 10, 2006, 02:14 AM
The " Dark Lord " is sweetening himself up......about time !  ;D He will now be a little more gentle when he wields his light sabre .
Title: Re: chives
Post by: Ashes on September 10, 2006, 07:11 AM


What it is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chai_tea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chai_tea)

and some recipes

http://www.odie.org/chai/recipes.html (http://www.odie.org/chai/recipes.html)

Ive also drunk tea in indians houses and its a nice drink, not something
id want to drink in the morning though. You can buy ready made
masalas which you add your milk based products to, but i havent found
one thats as good as one made by an "indian"  :D
Title: Re: chives
Post by: traveller on September 10, 2006, 12:35 PM
so many variations of making tea!  but i didnt see any using the condensed milk!  I agree, those spice packets for chai masala are ok but nothing beats masala chai made with freshly ground spices!!!  I have found masala chai tea bags to be quite ok as a substitute.
Title: Re: chives
Post by: jockomalay on September 14, 2006, 09:39 AM
Hi paast10,

I know of thousands of Indians and others who have tea like this, here in Malaysia there are rows and rows of condensed milk in the supermarkets and it mostly used for making Teh Tarik which I am afraid I find disgusting. Imagine a 1/2 pint mug  1/4 filled with sweetened condensed milk add three spoons of sugar top up with stewed tea which is made from tea dust, they then put pour it into a big jug and pour it backwards and forwards about 5 or 6 times so it froths up and then serve...They even have competitions for best pourer..Don't believe me see..

http://202.186.86.35/special/online/usjweb/usjteh.htm note  "Often found in Indian hawker stalls or restaurants"

Cheers

Jockomalay
Title: Re: chives
Post by: traveller on September 14, 2006, 09:48 AM
Well, my husband is an indian born and raised in KL and i go there twice a year to visit - i know there are tons of south indians in malaysia so perhaps they drink tea that way..and Teh Tarik is not indian, it is a malaysian style of tea.  None of my husband's relatives make tea that way, not in KL or in smaller village towns either.  There is a lot of fusion in the cultures in malaysia with malay/chinese/indian foods and the such.  That is why I have trouble finding true "indian" food in malaysia and the hawkers do not have anything authentically indian!!  I go to restaurants specially marked north indian cuisine and then get food that is not too far from authentic indian.  In india traditionally tea is  "pulled tea"  but it is made with normal milk and water.
Title: Re: chives
Post by: jockomalay on September 14, 2006, 10:17 AM
Hi Paast10,

All I am saying is that there are Indians who drink tea with condensed milk,  You are saying you don't know of any...Scientific survey in my office..

I quote..

Hey Paul..You Indian?
Yep my parents come from Kerela.
Do you drink Teh Tarik?
Yes I do you.

So there you have it..

Pulled tea is of Indian origin..which is the translation of Teh Tarik into Malay.

Interestingly, you seem to be differentiating between North Indians and South Indians, perhaps it is you who are generalising?  Authentic Indian food is not only North Indian.

What is authentic anyway??


Cheers

Jockomalay
Title: Re: chives
Post by: traveller on September 14, 2006, 10:30 AM
you are right in that authentic can be south and north indian both...but there is such differences between the cultures, languages, and food between the north and south that mostly up north we dont know anything about the south besides the basic popular south indian dishes.  it really is a different culture in the south.  It is different in the south as most people in the south know hindi and eat lots of north indian dishes and cook them a lot.  My family has always had many south indian friends but even they never made tea that way - perhaps if they normally do, they made it the north indian way for us!
Your experiment proved my point that maybe in southern parts of India they drink tea differently.
But it is not possible to generalize about indians if you are only talking of south indian customs.  yes, I know pulled tea is the transation of teh tarik, thats why i said that!
authentic or not, i dont like generalizations because statements made by some people are misleading and thats why there are issues between the british and indians in the UK.  But i am NOT going into that topic.  I am going to bother "defending" indians anymore as I think in the UK, indians means pakistanis, bangladeshis, nepalis and whoever else.  The misconceptions are too many and anyways, I am not from the UK so I dont understand the british way of thinking!!!  sorry to have bothered to try to explain the British misconceptions about indians.
Title: Re: chives
Post by: jockomalay on September 14, 2006, 10:38 AM
Hi Paast10,

I can understand where you are coming from..I' m Scottish!!!

Cheers

Jockomaly
Title: Re: chives
Post by: traveller on September 14, 2006, 10:50 AM
uh oh ;)......i cannot say anything about scottish way of thinking as i do not have any knowledge of it - just went to Edinbugh once and my instructor here was scottish!  I have a good sense of the british way of thinking from living here since the last 16 months and taking a college class and meeting lots of british people!
Title: Re: chives
Post by: laynebritton on September 14, 2006, 01:30 PM
Erm So I wasn't seeing things !

Paast10
I cannot for the life of me understand why you have taken such a dislike to my reference (generalizing) of Indians making tea ?

Chill out  for heavens sake :-*

You'll no doubt be trying to tell me next that the teapot found in many Indian households toilets is for making tea and not for washing arses ha ha only a joke ;D.
Layne ;)
Title: Re: chives
Post by: CurryCanuck on September 14, 2006, 11:53 PM
Different here in the Northern Hemisphere....guess its time to move on . :)
Title: Re: chives
Post by: CurryCanuck on September 15, 2006, 05:26 AM
Just another caveat - the North / South Indians...the Sikhs , Hindus ,  Parsee  , Pakistanis , Nepalis and Bangladesh have moved on and adapted to change - so must we
in order to move on.....much like football isn't it !  :)
Title: Re: chives
Post by: DARTHPHALL on September 15, 2006, 11:58 AM
No, Football is all balls !!  ;D