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Title: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Gav Iscon on September 26, 2013, 09:00 PM
New video from Chris on his YouTube channel

http://www.youtube.com/user/h4ppyleader (http://www.youtube.com/user/h4ppyleader)
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: haldi on September 27, 2013, 07:47 PM
Really sorry that Chris isn't posting here anymore
He was making this place really lively
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Naga on September 27, 2013, 09:35 PM
Really sorry that Chris isn't posting here anymore
He was making this place really lively

He wasn't really. Chef Sam was the guy with the knowledge. Chris was just an adjunct. Or did I miss something?
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Garp on September 27, 2013, 09:54 PM
When I watch it I cringe to be honest.

Are Chris and Sam a couple? Or would one f them like to be?
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: gazman1976 on September 27, 2013, 10:01 PM
Chris has defected to CA's site, i joined it last month to see whats going down, its basically a carbon copy of this site, i also got a lovely warning PM from CA not to wind up Chris or vice versa, what a lovely way to greet a new member to his site lol
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Garp on September 27, 2013, 10:43 PM
Moderated filth, arguably descending to a new level of depravity.

Garp should have known better.

Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on September 27, 2013, 11:26 PM
Chris has defected to CA's site,

He didn't defect, he was banned from here.  He had been dual-posting for quite some time.
** Phil.
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Willyeckerslike on September 28, 2013, 02:39 AM
moderated filth

I trust you include all the other members that have videod chefs cooking curry in that statement
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Invisible Mike on September 28, 2013, 02:52 AM
Chris has defected to CA's site,

He didn't defect, he was banned from here.  He had been dual-posting for quite some time.
** Phil.
What's duel posting?
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Willyeckerslike on September 28, 2013, 05:18 AM
Chris has defected to CA's site,

He didn't defect, he was banned from here.  He had been dual-posting for quite some time.
** Phil.
What's duel posting?
He was posting on both sites
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Invisible Mike on September 28, 2013, 06:43 AM
What's wrong with that?
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Willyeckerslike on September 28, 2013, 07:08 AM
Nothing,

He got banned for other reasons
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Willyeckerslike on September 28, 2013, 08:06 AM
Chris has defected to CA's site, i joined it last month to see whats going down, its basically a carbon copy of this site, i also got a lovely warning PM from CA not to wind up Chris or vice versa, what a lovely way to greet a new member to his site lol
To be fair to CA what did you expect him to say? Please feel free to wind everyone up but especially Chris?
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: loveitspicy on September 28, 2013, 10:13 AM
moderated filth

Nothing wrong in videoing someone who can cook if you want to learn but it does quite clearly indicate who has the true knowledge (Sam) - ie the teacher the the pupil - and guess what the pupil will be an author soon teaching others - bluffing the five minute knowledge to thousands! However he isint the only one and i can't blame him for seeing a business opportunity there have been others before him. There will be others after - Hey you never know me included!! Lights make up script roll em ebook!

Mick's a bit of an exception CBM - whether you like him, jealous of him or not at least he can cook a bit and to be honest both his books are just to the point - nothing fancy accompanied by videos - just the ticket for someone who is starting out. There again Chewy is another he can cook a bit and his vids have great ingredient titles, he should do an ebook!

Nearly going off thread but it is all about vids etc

best, Rich
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Stephen Lindsay on September 28, 2013, 01:13 PM
What's duel posting?

That happens on here from time to time ;)  ??? :o
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Dajoca on September 28, 2013, 01:35 PM
moderated filth

Why do you need to come across as such a tool?
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Garp on September 28, 2013, 02:22 PM
Tool?

I'm not the one hanging around TAs with a camera. So who is the tool?

But one man's chisel is another man's hacksaw.
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: StoneCut on September 28, 2013, 07:57 PM
I love videos of people making curries, no matter who makes them. It's the fastest way to learn for me. I don't see anything wrong with that (making the videos or being a viewer) either. And I admire any chef who regards himself so good in his craft that he has no issues sharing his secrets since he knows that his own curries will still be better due to the experience he has.
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Garp on September 28, 2013, 08:25 PM
You can't really describe someone who makes curries in a TA as a chef - come on :)
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on September 28, 2013, 09:24 PM
You can't really describe someone who makes curries in a TA as a chef - come on :)

Why not ?  We call our GPs "Doctor", even though many do not have a Doctorate, or indeed any higher qualification than a Bachelor's degree together with membership of some professional body.  One of the GPs at my local practice holds BM & MRCGP, yet no-one would dream of addressing her as anything other than "Doctor", nor would they be put off from consulting her because just she doesn't hold a MD ("Doctor of Medicine")  -- in fact, few GPs do hold an MD or higher.

** Phil.
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Garp on September 28, 2013, 09:44 PM
Do you have some personal grudge against 'doctors' Phil?

Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on September 28, 2013, 09:50 PM
Do you have some personal grudge against 'doctors' Phil?

What on earth makes you think that ?  You argue that someone who cooks in a BIR T/A does not deserve to be called "Chef", I argue in return that the lack of an MD does not prevent us from consulting a GP and addressing him or her as "Doctor".

** Phil.
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Garp on September 28, 2013, 10:01 PM
Phil, there is a huge difference between going for a takeaway and visiting your doctor.

Your post was full of abbreviations (my old dad always said 'never trust a man who talks in abbreviations')

I don't think that someone who makes curries in TAs (I didn't say restaurants) is a chef. More of a cook.
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on September 28, 2013, 10:18 PM
Phil, there is a huge difference between going for a takeaway and visiting your doctor.

I feel certain we both agree on that :)

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Your post was full of abbreviations (my old dad always said 'never trust a man who talks in abbreviations')

Only where the words are rarely if ever spelled out in full.  (Almost) no-one writes of "general practitioners"; they write of "GPs"; -- ditto -- with "Bachelor of Medicine" ("BM"), "Member of the Royal College of Obstetrics and Gynaecology" ("MRCOG") and so on.  I did gloss "MD" because, being Latin, it is slightly less obvious than the other abbreviations.

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I don't think that someone who makes curries in TAs (I didn't say restaurants) is a chef. More of a cook.

Well, if I had a complaint about something I'd had from a T/A, and went back to complain in person to the person who had prepared it, I wouldn't ask the front-of-house man if I could speak to the cook; I would ask if I could speak to the chef.  To my mind, it is a matter of politeness and respect.

** Phil.
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Graeme on September 28, 2013, 10:24 PM
Off topic...

If we had a Mod this would stop.
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on September 28, 2013, 10:46 PM
Off topic...  If we had a Mod this would stop.

And this was on-topic, Graeme ?  The thread title was "Curry Crisis" and the topic under discussion was the problem of recruiting trained BIR staff.

Two blokes standing in a bar and one says to the other...

"I agree. I think it's much better than the heavy censorship used on some forums. If anyone doesn't like this thread, just pick another one to read, instead"
They then drink beer and smile at each other...

 Aww  :)
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Graeme on September 28, 2013, 10:54 PM
Further off topic...

Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on September 28, 2013, 11:01 PM
Set an example, Graeme, and you will be in a position to criticise others; until then ...
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Graeme on September 28, 2013, 11:03 PM
Off topic...

Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on September 28, 2013, 11:13 PM
I've read this thread from the very beginning, Graeme, and I don't see a single on-topic post from you.  May I suggest you either put up, or shut up ?

** Phil.
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Graeme on September 29, 2013, 08:21 AM
Named unwanted personal attack...

No further correspondence will be entered
into.

Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on September 29, 2013, 10:41 AM
No further correspondence will be entered into.

Good.  So perhaps we can now get back on-topic, Garp.  Did you follow my reasoning about the use of "Chef" as a courtesy title, in just the same way that we use "Doctor" as a term of address for someone who does not hold a Doctorate ?

** Phil.
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: gazman1976 on September 29, 2013, 10:58 AM
Chris has defected to CA's site, i joined it last month to see whats going down, its basically a carbon copy of this site, i also got a lovely warning PM from CA not to wind up Chris or vice versa, what a lovely way to greet a new member to his site lol
To be fair to CA what did you expect him to say? Please feel free to wind everyone up but especially Chris?

I expected not to receive any sort of PM as i hadn't said anything, but to do that just shows you what sort of person CA is and why he left here in the first place
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on September 29, 2013, 11:02 AM
It would seem that if you are not a C A fanboi, you are not welcome in the first place.  I know of two people who registered on the site, and their registrations were cancelled (without notification) within a day of their joining.

** Phil.
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: curryhell on September 29, 2013, 11:59 AM
I expected not to receive any sort of PM as i hadn't said anything, but to do that just shows you what sort of person CA is and why he left here in the first place

 :o :o  Such dissenting comments will see you banned if word gets back Gaz  ::)

It would seem that if you are not a C A fanboi, you are not welcome in the first place.  I know of two people who registered on the site, and their registrations were cancelled (without notification) within a day of their joining.

** Phil.

Are you surprised Phil?  You weren't one of them of them, were you ?? ;D
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: goncalo on September 29, 2013, 12:01 PM
The definition of chef from the merriam webster dictionary is cetainly far more valid than a random troll's opinion. I trust this definition applies equally well to TAs, rather than what some zealots on this forum think a chef is/should be. There are certain varying degree of skill amongst chefs, as there is every walk of life. We could be here all day discussing pointless subtleties.

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chef
noun \?shef\

: a professional cook who usually is in charge of a kitchen in a restaurant

: a person who prepares food for people to eat

Just don't feed em trolls and carry on.
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on September 29, 2013, 12:19 PM
It would seem that if you are not a C A fanboi, you are not welcome in the first place.  I know of two people who registered on the site, and their registrations were cancelled (without notification) within a day of their joining.

** Phil.

Are you surprised Phil?  You weren't one of them of them, were you ?? ;D

It happened to me, I was surprised, asked two curry-loving friends to try, and exactly the same thing happened to each of them.  Maybe CA has a cunning "No friend of Phil's is welcome here" filter :)

** Phil.
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Les on September 29, 2013, 12:40 PM
I couldn't lower myself to the level that Chris has sunk.


What level would that be then Garp.
I don't think it's right that you should talk about people who aren't here to defend themselves.

Les
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Kashmiri Bob on September 29, 2013, 01:06 PM
Speaking of which I hope Chris hasn't incurred a life-time ban from this forum.  Life it too short. Surely 3 months and a period of parole would be enough.  We all make mistakes.  He is so passionate about cooking and stuff after all.

Rob  :)
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: gazman1976 on September 29, 2013, 01:10 PM
It would seem that if you are not a C A fanboi, you are not welcome in the first place.  I know of two people who registered on the site, and their registrations were cancelled (without notification) within a day of their joining.

** Phil.

I miss CA from the forum, i found the way he asked questions insightful, alot of people didnt like his probing but he only done this to get the answers he was looking for.

its a shame for this sight he has gone IMHO, and i hope Chris comes back also, the more members the better
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on September 29, 2013, 01:39 PM
I too would like to ask Stew to re-admit Chris.  Chris and I may have had our differences from time to time, but nonetheless his videos were helpful and informative and he was an asset to the forum.  And if he isn't re-admitted, how will we ever learn which of us (if any) was correct in identifying the "secret" in the naan recipe ?!

** Phil.
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Les on September 29, 2013, 01:46 PM
I can't see Chris coming back even if he was asked to.
And I think a certain person would still be having a go at him if he did come back, So what's the point.

Les
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: DalPuri on September 29, 2013, 01:52 PM
Firstly the rice.
I dont think Chris shouldve uploaded this video, or at least the title shouldve been, How NOT to make pilau rice.  ;)
The rice had too much water and was stodgy. Not very good promotion for the TA.

And off topic... CA
I was really pissed off and disappointed when he started the new forum. If there was one cr0 member that i never thought would do such a thing it was CA.
He hated RCR and everything about it when that forum was started. Especially the way contributing members were poached! And he's done the exact same thing he was so against!!  ::) Underhand and Hypocritical or what!
I was PM'd in the first week to join,(i refused) no doubt from one of CA's many accounts.
There have been a few members on here with very old accs and a couple of posts that seemed to pop out of nowhere in praise of CA's recipes whenever he was getting some stick.  ;) Coincidence??
Same with the PM i received to defect, very suspicious.... ;)
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on September 29, 2013, 01:57 PM
And I think a certain person would still be having a go at him if he did come back ...

Perhaps not.  After all, tomorrow is 30th, the eagerly anticipated Day of Revelations; if the long-awaited e-book appears on schedule, then they-who-doubt-whether-it-will-ever appear will have their doubts dispelled and may welcome Chris back with open arms, a sincere apology and a warm hug ...

** Phil.

Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: gazman1976 on September 29, 2013, 02:30 PM
It would seem that if you are not a C A fanboi, you are not welcome in the first place.  I know of two people who registered on the site, and their registrations were cancelled (without notification) within a day of their joining.

** Phil.

Here is the latest pm from CA

Safe to say he will be deleting me shortly, he is either snooping about or has others reporting back
Hi Gazman,

I would very much appreciate it if you would please discuss with me any concerns you may have, with my previous message, rather than air them, in public, on another forum (you might care to read and note the forum rules, which will be enforced).

We both know (and by your own posted admission on cr0) that you have baited Chris on cr0. As I stated, in my previous message to you, I do not intend for that to continue here (adding a "weirdo" emoticon, to your first post asking about Chris's ebook, is not a good start).

As I stated in my previous message, personal attacks will not be tolerated on this forum (again, please read and note the forum rules, which will be enforced).

I want participative, constructive and supportive forum members that are willing to help develop this forum, and share their knowledge and experiences, for the benefit of all. If you feel that you can't meet that requirement, then you are free to leave this forum to those that feel they can.

I trust you are willing to help develop and grow this forum, in a constructive way, accordingly.

Please do not hesitate to contact me if you wish to discuss my reasoning further.

Cheers,Regards

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Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: gazman1976 on September 29, 2013, 02:34 PM
I read a comment from Chris on the other forum and he is now saying next yr before the E-book
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on September 29, 2013, 02:58 PM
Here is the latest pm from CA

... personal attacks will not be tolerated on this forum ...

CA
Cory Ander
MODERATOR

Well, that is splendid news.  I can only think that he has seen the light, sincerely repented for all the ad hominem attacks he launched on this forum, and is determined to be a model poster in his new (rather lonely) home.  I just feel it is a great shame he could not have seen the light while he was here, rather than resorting to personal abuse as he so often did :

So basically you don't know your arse from your elbow then....but your sure about it...nothing new there then  ;)

Perhaps let someone who knows answer the perfectly valid question SnS; you'll only end up embarrassing yourself again  ::)

** Phil.

Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: goncalo on September 29, 2013, 05:28 PM
Firstly the rice.
I dont think Chris shouldve uploaded this video, or at least the title shouldve been, How NOT to make pilau rice.  ;)
The rice had too much water and was stodgy. Not very good promotion for the TA.

It isn't a spotless video, I agree with you there Frank. I asked about it and he said "This is a new pan that the chef foysel (sam's colleague) wasn't particularly used to" Someone else replied that he made the recipe and that it looked stodgy but after 15mins seating in the pan the rice was separating nicely. Who knows what exactly went wrong, though.
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Stephen Lindsay on September 29, 2013, 06:23 PM
Has CA re-posted (in the new forum) any of the recipes he posted on here? If so is he not breaching the copyright rules of this forum. I seem to recall him arguing assertively against breaching copyright.
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Stephen Lindsay on September 29, 2013, 06:29 PM
Hypocritical or what!
I was PM'd in the first week to join,(i refused) no doubt from one of CA's many accounts.

Ha ha he didn't PM me asking me to join  :P.

I think that was because I challenged him for being out of order with other members and he absolutely hated it and ended up creating a whole new thread to challenge my challenging  ::).

Suffice to say I won't be joining the new forum.
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Secret Santa on September 29, 2013, 06:31 PM
I was PM'd in the first week to join,(i refused) no doubt from one of CA's many accounts.

Really? The miserable old sod didn't invite me...I wonder why?  ;D
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on September 29, 2013, 06:36 PM
Perhaps we can ask Admin to create a whole new category of membership, ranking even above "CONTRIBUTING MEMBER" -- "NOT INVITED TO DEFECT BY CA" :)

** Phil.
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Stephen Lindsay on September 29, 2013, 06:51 PM
I was PM'd in the first week to join,(i refused) no doubt from one of CA's many accounts.

Really? The miserable old sod didn't invite me...I wonder why?  ;D

ha ha SS you've got me physically laughing lol.
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: PaulP on September 29, 2013, 07:38 PM
I joined CA's forum but never posted and now it looks like the account has been deleted. It is a bit of a fan-boy site IMO. Anyway I'm happier just to lurk these days.

Paul
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Micky Tikka on September 29, 2013, 08:13 PM
keep lurking paul
Your a good member  :)
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Stephen Lindsay on September 29, 2013, 08:23 PM
PaulP did you get an email saying you had been deleted and why?

No I thought not.

Let's face it PaulP if the new forum is to comprise a membership of the only modertor's "yes men" (and women) then perhaps you've had a lucky escape?
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on September 29, 2013, 08:25 PM
Let's face it PaulP if the new forum is to comprise a membership of the only modertor's "yes men" (and women)

Of whom one will NOT be Domi, whom I still sadly miss on this site ...
** Phil.
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Kashmiri Bob on September 29, 2013, 08:39 PM
Looks to be a pruning policy. So if you don't contribute regularly enough you get pruned.  I signed up a while back.  Best go and check my status. 

Rob  :)
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: curryhell on September 29, 2013, 09:12 PM
Looks to be a pruning policy. So if you don't contribute regularly enough you get pruned.  I signed up a while back.  Best go and check my status. 
Rob  :)
I don't need to check my status, because I haven't got one  :'(  ;D
I was PM'd in the first week to join,(i refused) no doubt from one of CA's many accounts.
Me too Frank, but i respectfully declined the offer by ignoring the PM.
All is not as it appeared either.  CA's may have loyalties but not to this site.  He actually did try to co-opt another member into going into competition with this site quite a while back, but the other member, who shall remain nameless declined the offer :)
I'm more than happy to stay put as there are still some very good active members on here keen to improve and work to "crack the code" if there is one.  CA's site has years of work to do before it will ever be a source of broad reference like this site.

To return to the topic, not one of Chris's better videos.  However, I do have to say, e-book or no e-book, the guy has put himself out and was happy to share most things to further all our knowledge.  Whether one chooses to buy the e-book if or when it happens, is a personal choice. But his contribution on here is a lot more positive, helpful and encouraging than some.  Anybody that takes time to video footage on our favourite subject and post it deserves thanks, not derrogatory remarks.  If he makes some money from the project, good luck to him.  If not as least he gave us plenty of footage from which we might learn. 
Title: Re: h4ppy - chris / Chef Sam's How to make Pilau Rice
Post by: Geezah on September 29, 2013, 09:46 PM

To return to the topic, not one of Chris's better videos.  However, I do have to say, e-book or no e-book, the guy has put himself out and was happy to share most things to further all our knowledge.  Whether one chooses to buy the e-book if or when it happens, is a personal choice. But his contribution on here is a lot more positive, helpful and encouraging than some.  Anybody that takes time to video footage on our favourite subject and post it deserves thanks, not derrogatory remarks.  If he makes some money from the project, good luck to him.  If not as least he gave us plenty of footage from which we might learn.

Here Here!

I'm still a noobie. still learning and my biggest gripe is the amount of personal attacks that goes on in these forums.

Were all after the same goal.
Some people have different ideas and disagreements - thats all good, the world would be boring if we were all the same.

Personal attacks, such as this very thread - a call out if you like, are not good for the scene.
It makes those people involved look silly and their clique will only last so long.

I'm on no side here, no one has done me wrong, but I fully support Chris's efforts and even CA's efforts by creating his own space to post in.
Just another forum..... I'm a member of umpteen forums, they all have something to offer otherwise you just delete them from your bookmarks ;)

Peace!