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Curry Chat => Lets Talk Curry => Topic started by: meggeth on October 01, 2013, 10:28 AM
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Hello all,
Thought I would put up my curry document (now removed). Its my collection of information, curries, side dishes etc that I have cooked over the past 12 months and found to be good. This is obviously personal, so I don't expect everyone to like the same things. Most are recipes taken form this forum, cook4one, etc, with a few changes here and there. It's gradually been built up over the past 12 months, and I've passed it onto friends who came for curries and liked what they had.
It's probably not much use for most people on here who have been cooking for a while, as they will no doubt be familiar with most of the information that's in it, but it may be of use to newcomers as a starting guide. There's a pdf file, and a doc file for anyone who wants to modify it.
Anyway, happy cooking!
Meggeth requested later: "George, can you delete the original docs in the first post please! Ta." So I have, whilst he updates them. Regards - George
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Well done, Meggeth -- a free curry e-book is never to be sniffed at :)
** Phil.
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Excellent Meggeth. Right in my dropbox, where I keep all my other BIR ebooks!
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Excellent little book Meggeth. As you said a good start for beginners. (and some good reminders for the rest of us ;))
Thanks' for all your effort.
Les
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Great Job - love it!
I think there may be one who will not be pleased but we will see about his recipes being in there
but overall - well done
best, Rich
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I think there may be one who will not be pleased but we will see about his recipes being in there
Oy vey, oy vey, oy vey ...
I didn't look at the PDF when it was first sent, but now I do I am very concerned about the front-page waiver :
This document may be reproduced without the consent of the author! Just pass it on to anyone you want to!
You can't include copyright material in an e-book such as this and then waive copyright for the derived work; the copyright holders of the original material are the only ones who can do that. I would strongly suggest that you change the wording to :
This document includes recipes that were originally published on curry-recipes.co.uk and/or cr0.co.uk; please respect the copyright of the owners of that material and do not pass it on to anyone other than a member of those two web sites.
Alternatively, seek permission from each of the copyright holders for you to include their copyright material in a derived work that is explicitly copyright-free.
See http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php/topic,1273.msg11317.html#msg11317 (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php/topic,1273.msg11317.html#msg11317)
** Phil.
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Great stuff. I may try some if those
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Phil, I just added that statement as a tongue in check comment - it wasn't supposed to be serious really, but I have now removed it.
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Or just take phil's advice with a pinch of chaat masala. Works a treat too.
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Give over, Phil FFS! There have been - and still are! - plenty of examples of people posting links to real copyrighted material.
As you've so thoughtfully brought attention to Admin's pronouncements, let's not forget this gem!
Its back and available on the net for free,
www.mydatabus.com/2z/zfa.pbz/kifly98/TheCurrySecret.pdf (http://www.mydatabus.com/2z/zfa.pbz/kifly98/TheCurrySecret.pdf)
This is where the journey began a long time ago for many on the road to curry perfection, worth grabbing this whilst it is available for free
Stew 8)
That link is no longer valid, and I personally value Admin taking the time to make that particular post, but the quoted thread serves to make a point. A trawl through the Ebooks, Recipes & Software etc (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php/board,5.0.html) shows many other examples.
I remember Stonecut got pelters when he thoughtfully compiled a load of recipes from the site a while ago. I didn't agree with the naysayers then, and neither do I now. Well done, Stonecut and well done, meggeth. Your contributions hold much more value to members than some others presently unworthy of mention.
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Your contributions hold much more value to members than some others presently unworthy of mention.
I agree, and assume you mean anyone who published a similar book but had the nerve to charge for it. I'd exclude Abdul Mhd's book and the Kushi Balti book, because they're in the business.
Meggeth's book is excellent in my opinion and it's so good of him to both (a) make it freely available and (b) release it without any marketing type wind-ups in advance - a lesson to us all.
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Give over, Phil FFS!
Meggeth has, very sensibly (IMHO) removed the offending "Feel free to copy ..." statement from the PDF. Whether this will satisfy all of the authors whose work has been included I do not know, but why you (Naga) think I should "Give over, FFS!" when I am quite clearly trying to /help/ Meggeth to avoid complaints from aggrieved authors is completely beyond me.
Perhaps you (and for that matter, Gon
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...I think you need to...
Oh, I'm wide awake alright - awake enough to notice your bodyswerve on Admin's pronouncements which you, yourself, thought was important enough to bring to everyone's attention! Instead, typically, you chose to obfuscate with a rambling lecture.
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...I think you need to...
Oh, I'm wide awake alright - awake enough to notice your bodyswerve on Admin's pronouncements which you, yourself, thought was important enough to bring to everyone's attention! Instead, typically, you chose to obfuscate with a rambling lecture.
On the contrary, Naga -- I am sticking to the topic of the thread, and not allowing myself to be derailed by such as yourself. Whether Meggeth's book contains material originally contributed by some who already sell their recipes as e-books I do not know (I have not yet looked at the book in detail), but if it does, then I would not be surprised if a formal complaint were to be made. And I still think (if all the material is culled from CR0 / Curry-Recipes), then it ought to carry a note saying it should not be redistributed outside of those fora.
** Phil.
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What utter drivel! It was you who brought up the issue of copyright - no-one else. And now you want to divorce yourself from your own comments by "sticking to the topic". Chewy was right!
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What utter drivel! It was you who brought up the issue of copyright - no-one else. And now you want to divorce yourself from your own comments by "sticking to the topic". Chewy was right!
The topic is Meggeth's e-book, about which Loveitspicy raised what I thought were perfectly valid concerns regarding copyright :
I think there may be one who will not be pleased but we will see about his recipes being in there
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to which I responded with a positive suggestion as to how these concerns might best be addressed. I included a back-reference to an early statement by Admin concerning copyright issues and this forum, since it seemed highly pertinent to the topic under discussion. Since then, I have continued to focus solely on those specific areas. If you wish to start a new thread addressing the wider issue of copyright in general, please feel free to do so.
** Phil.
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Have it your way. Your inanities are written down here (and elsewhere!) for all to see.
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And yet another thread derailed by drivel................
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And yet another thread derailed by drivel................
I'm sorry that you perceive it as drivel, UC; to me, it seems to be a debate about perfectly legitimate concerns of copyright. Just as it was wrong and irresponsible for the social services (etc) to fail to raise their concerns regarding Daniel Pelka, so I believe it would be wrong and irresponsible for members of this forum not to raise their concerns regarding matters of copyright, especially when those concerns affect the copyright of former and current members.
** Phil.
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@Phil
This forum is significantly blighted by bickering and thread derailment and detracts from the purpose of the forum, namely to learn more about BIR cooking.
I for one do not enjoy the 'atmosphere' here but I sense you revel in it.
I'm grateful for what I have learned here but frankly it's just not a nice place to visit, never mind post.
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I'm with uclown.
Meggeth posted his favourite recipes without any attempt to make money from it.
I thought this forum was about sharing recipes. It's not Amazon.
Some people need to get a grip and lose some pretentiousness.
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This forum is significantly blighted by bickering and thread derailment and detracts from the purpose of the forum, namely to learn more about BIR cooking.
I completely agree.
I for one do not enjoy the 'atmosphere' here but I sense you revel in it.
No, I don't "revel in it" one iota; but nor am I willing to stay quiet when something needs to be said. If you look back in this thread, you will see that my opening post was one of congratulation to Meggeth, followed later by a suggestion as to how Meggeth could usefully modify the e-book so as not to attract complaints from authors whose work was being used without permission. Both were clearly intended as a positive contribution, to the thread, to the forum, and to Meggeth's e-book. Since then, some (a few) have chosen to suggest that my observation was flippant (it wasn't) or that I should "Give over, FFS". What would you have me do at this point -- sit mute, and allow others to think that I /was/ being flippant, or had seen the error of my ways and "Give(n) over, FFS", or stand my ground and say that my comment was a serious one and should be taken seriously ?
I'm grateful for what I have learned here but frankly it's just not a nice place to visit, never mind post.
I'm truly sorry you feel that way, UC. All I can say is, if you don't think this forum is a nice place to visit or post, just try one of the more recent fora devoted to BIR and see how you feel there after receiving one or more warning shots via PM from the site admin ...
** Phil.
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I thought this forum was about sharing recipes.
It's about sharing one's own recipes, Garp, not about sharing other people's recipes without their permission.
** Phil.
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So no-one has posted a recipe from Madhur Jaffrey or other people who have actually had books published?
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So no-one has posted a recipe from Madhur Jaffrey or other people who have actually had books published?
Garp
You know you can't have the last word don't you?
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Yes, I'm sure you are right my friend.
But hey.........Meggeth was trying to do a good thing, in my book - sharing his personal favourites (freely).
If others wish to be muppets, they will only drive more people away :)
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So no-one has posted a recipe from Madhur Jaffrey or other people who have actually had books published?
Yes, they have but it doesn't make it right from a legal point of view.
Phil is correct. The thread has only gone a bit off track because a few others called his comments drivel. It's not drivel at all. Now, some people might say that even if he is correct from a legal point of view, they don't give a damn and will carry on regardless. In my opinion, they're taking a bit of a risk, especially where big name publishers are concerned. It's less likely that other members here could or would take legal action, if their recipes are 'republished'. The cost would run into many tens of thousands of pounds, if not hundreds of thousands.
That's my opinion but I'm no lawyer. It always amazes me how people load music as well as whole movies and programmes from the BBC (etc) to youtube and little has been said or done about it so far.
As for 'heated discussions' on this forum, how do you think other forums avoid them? By being run like a Police state with a high level of censorship and central control. I'm happier being free to express my opinions here and pleased to hear alternative points of view as well.
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So no-one has posted a recipe from Madhur Jaffrey or other people who have actually had books published?
Yes, they have Garp. And some may have driven after drinking too much, downloaded pirate copies of films, videos, music and software, urinated in a back alley, and failed to declare their full income to HMRC. Does that mean that all such activities are henceforth to be encouraged ? That the simple fact that someone has done something means that it is no longer wrong ?
** Phil.
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Another storm in a tea cup and another thread derailed :( I think even the less intelligent among us are aware of copyright, its principles and at whom it's really aimed to protect. Whilst technically copyright may have been breached with the content of meggeth's helpful compilation of recipes, I hardly think many of the owners will be particularly bothered, other than one or two . If they don't like it all they need to do is ask the author to remove them. The rest of us will take it in the spirit tin which it was created - for the benefit of anybody new to the journey, wanting some good tips and good recipes, all thrown together in one quick reference document. The biggest advantage - no bickering, no barrack room lawyers or know it alls, no windbags and absolutely 100% ON TOPIC. The later point being something that all posters should take note of.
I'm sure meggeth is now wishing he had never bothered spending the time it took to put this helpful guide together. And i'm sure certain people in other "fora", commonly referred to as forums, albeit incorrectly, but who gives a damn, will be rubbing their hands together. It is very apparent to those of us that have been active here for some time, that behind every bun fight, it's the same individuals stirring things up. One of them has now gone thankfully but the others remain. The rest of us just need to learn to bite our tongues, ignore them and get on with the reason that drove us here in the first place - the cooking of BIR curry and not paragraph 7, subsection 2b of any law pertaining to copyright, pissing up back alleys, speeding or any other common misdamenour.
My sincere apologies to the starter of the thread for adding to the off topic discourse, but even my patience is being tried. I am getting sick to death of watching this forum tearing itself apart because of pathetic rants and childish bickering. Can you wonder at it that good solid members join mr know it all's forum given the cloud that constantly decends on this site !!!!
Rant over. Apologies again meggeth. Well done on your e-book. I'm sure many will appreciate your efforts.
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Good point, well made CH.
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Well said CH
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Well said CH
+1
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Meggeth
Notwithstanding the copyright debate, I like the layout of the recipes, it looks very neat and reads very well. I'm guessing here, but I bet you learned a lot through the process of piecing together various recipes and arranging them into different kinds of dishes etc.
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Thanks Meggeth, very useful.
Cheers,
Ken
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Hi Meggeth,
Boy have you put some work into that :-)
Thanks.
Well said CH
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Well said CH
+1
+10
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Just to point out this forum has an "ignore list" option where individual member names may be added so you don't see their posts. Wish more people would use it so I don't have to read all the replies people give to those I've already filtered out.
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Very nice book, meggeth! All the recipes are on this forum for any member (or web spider) to see anyway. This just makes it a lot more organized when looking for things in a hurry or when offline. I appreciate that work and do the same. I've just learned not to share that sort of stuff anymore (even thread references and author credits apparently don't count). I'm afraid you probably will do the same now, too. It's a shame sometimes but that's life. Relax and ignore the ranting :)
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Notwithstanding the copyright debate, I like the layout of the recipes, it looks very neat and reads very well.
I agree. Thanks again to meggeth.
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I agree it's a great collection and the usual blather that has followed is much ado about nothing. The only thing I would have done (to preempt the inevitable cries of foul play) would have been to acknowledge the author of each recipe and perhaps link to this website.
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Hi guys,
Phil does have a point. I have put this document together thinking it would be useful for others to use if they wanted, but in it are a few from one particular ebook. Most are off websites/forums that are all freely available. Some are my own recipes Phil, they are not all just copied ones.
I am not overly concerned about the forum recipes (I will credit them where I can remember), but I have contacted the writer of the ebook, and he has suggested a way forward, which I will comply with.
I have decided I will temporarily remove the documents until I can change them to keep everyone happy.
Now play nicely with each other, boys and girls! ;)
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Hmm, anyone know why I can't modify my original post?
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Hmm, anyone know why I can't modify my original post?
Too much time has expired, Meggeth. Ask George and he can modify or zap it for you. And many thanks for taking my comments in the spirit in which they were offered.
** Phil.
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Can I suggest all who downloaded the original documents get rid of them and replace them with the new ones when I put them up. The new ones will have the same information.
Sorry about that.
Oh and George, can you delete the original docs in the first post please! Ta.
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Hi
Meggeth, thank you for your efforts.
Regards
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Can I suggest all who downloaded the original documents get rid of them and replace them with the new ones when I put them up. The new ones will have the same information.
Sorry about that.
Oh and George, can you delete the original docs in the first post please! Ta.
Links removed as requested. I only wish I could leave dead links in place, just for selected people, to inconvenience a few members who snipe at my moderation.