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Curry Chat => Talk About Anything Other Than Curry => Topic started by: jalfreziT on March 01, 2019, 06:48 AM
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It goes like this:
Members will develop their own curry recipes and go to the trouble of documenting these recipes on the forum.
Members will also freely give unconditional advice and support to others, driven purely by a shared love of curry.
At some point the forum owner decides that everyone should pay a tenner a year to access the forum content.
Members who gave freely wonder why they should pay a tenner, simply to view content they have freely given to the community. Few (if any) of the knowledgeable curry experts pay the tenner.
The only question is, what happens next,.....
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I think the forum will die.
Andy
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Have I missed something? Is this forum switching to a subscription model?
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No, JT is referring to another forum that has done that and which no doubt will die, through the action of making his forum a pay site the owner has truly bitten the hands of those that feed it.
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Ok I see. I
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Ok I see. I
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Might one ask, without a full URL appearing in the answer, where this forum might be found ?
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Phil I believe they may be referring to this forum. Full URL included intentionally, most members know the elephant in the room http://www.bircurries.co.uk.
Regards pap rika
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Phil I believe they may be referring to this forum http://www.bircurries.co.uk.
No complete URL there :)
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Down the bottom right corner of that Page (just above the picture of the onion bhajis) it still says "Registration is free!"
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Hey guys,
So glad I found this website, most of my 'negative' posts get censored on the BIR forum now so I'm pretty much given up with CA and his bull.
Shame to loose the various reviews and content I've posted on here mind.. but I've got plenty more to offer here.
Long live this forum, seems very vibrant from my first look in. ;D
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Looks like I won't get to see what happens next. :)
My last post resulted in a permanent ban.
Yes you won't receive any personal abuse from me, but you will get a fair, honest and polite opinion (as has been the case with all my posts on the internet).
Your choice whether to publish it, as my posts now seem to be subject to moderation before they are viewable. I have to wonder if that makes me feel trusted.
And there is my dilemma. I know I have the option to become a paid up member but what is my own trust level of what I might receive in return?
I know that many of those who openly shared their own recipes, and other helpful information with this community, are now somewhat disappointed that,
a) they cannot access their own content without "paying to view", and b) someone else is now financially benefitting from "selling" the content they gave so freely in the first place.
Previously and on many occasions I have supported your right to do what you wish with your forum, and that opinion remains unchanged. However I have some concern that you have made a grave error of judgement in taking the forum in this direction. You may have bitten the very hand that feeds the forum.
Written, as always, with the very best interest of those who wish to share enjoyment of their hobby with like-minded folks on the internet.
It's up to him what he does with his forum. I'm not going to criticise him. My only sympathies are with those who have lost their old home to share their hobby.
Luckily quite a few have now migrated to this community. Hopefully we can bring some energy, enthusiasm and helpful information.
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Funny that he used to complain about Happy Chris wanting to sell his book (that never happened), saying that this forum should be about sharing information for free and you shouldn't profit.
He tried to sell the whole thing a while ago but with no takers.
For all the disagreements on this site, there is a wealth of information if you're prepared to dig.
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Looks like I won't get to see what happens next. :)
My last post resulted in a permanent ban.
Yes you won't receive any personal abuse from me, but you will get a fair, honest and polite opinion (as has been the case with all my posts on the internet).
Your choice whether to publish it, as my posts now seem to be subject to moderation before they are viewable. I have to wonder if that makes me feel trusted.
And there is my dilemma. I know I have the option to become a paid up member but what is my own trust level of what I might receive in return?
I know that many of those who openly shared their own recipes, and other helpful information with this community, are now somewhat disappointed that,
a) they cannot access their own content without "paying to view", and b) someone else is now financially benefitting from "selling" the content they gave so freely in the first place.
Previously and on many occasions I have supported your right to do what you wish with your forum, and that opinion remains unchanged. However I have some concern that you have made a grave error of judgement in taking the forum in this direction. You may have bitten the very hand that feeds the forum.
Written, as always, with the very best interest of those who wish to share enjoyment of their hobby with like-minded folks on the internet.
It's up to him what he does with his forum. I'm not going to criticise him. My only sympathies are with those who have lost their old home to share their hobby.
Luckily quite a few have now migrated to this community. Hopefully we can bring some energy, enthusiasm and helpful information.
Well all i said was Eloquently put and i support every word and i got banned as well....
Hey ho onwards and upwards, Chicken Tikka tonight, pics to follow.
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Well all i said was Eloquently put and i support every word and i got banned as well....
Ouch, sorry to have guided you in to trouble.
Hey ho onwards and upwards, Chicken Tikka tonight, pics to follow.
Westy's Madras already prepared here :)
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Westy's Madras already prepared here :)
Westy Madras?, I don
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Westy's Madras already prepared here :)
Westy Madras?, I don
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Pretty pointless mentioning that Madras on this forum then really
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Pretty pointless mentioning that Madras on this forum then really
I would respectfully disagree. If there is a Madras that is better than any to be found here, then I for one am grateful to learn of its existence. Given the recent introduction of a paywall on "the other site", there is (it seems to me) a good chance that others will continue to migrate from there to here, and if Westy is one of them, I would hate for him to read here that we were not interested in his recipe.
** Phil.
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And until that point Phil, pretty pointless.
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Pretty pointless mentioning that Madras on this forum then really
It was a reply directly to MickyP. Maybe I should have sent that as a PM.
.I'm currently trying to work out how more recipe content could be brought to this forum. So please.... try not to be so confrontational.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but if westy,s or anybody else's recipes were placed on a non paying forum/website, (which it was prior to CAs takeover) with the intention of viewers, members or non members having the ability to download or share, does that not make it public domain
Regards pap rika
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but if westy,s or anybody else's recipes were placed on a non paying forum/website, (which it was prior to CAs takeover) with the intention of viewers, members or non members having the ability to download or share, does that not make it public domain
No, just because something is made publicly accessible does not, of itself, also place it in the public domain. Copyright remains with the original author unless he/she has agreed to waive that right or to share it with (e.g.,) the forum owner. Our own Ts & Cs read (in part)
14) Rights In Posted Materials: By posting on this message board, you relinquish all exclusive copyrights to any materials you Post and furthermore, you grant Curry-Recipes.co.uk non-exclusive, non-revocable worldwide, royalty-free rights to copy, distribute, display, reproduce, modify, adapt, create derivative works, and publicly perform the materials in perpetuity in all forms. This license applies to all works of authorship including, but not limited to, written materials (e.g., text), audio, audio-visual materials, graphics, and images (including, but not limited to, graphics and images used as avatars). You also grant all third parties the right to copy, distribute, display, reproduces, and publicly perform the materials you post under the terms of the Creative Commons License. Curry-Recipes.co.uk has the authority to decide to display your postings or not, and you grant Curry-Recipes.co.uk the right to modify your posts, remove offensive material, modify your post title to accurately reflect content, remove vulgar comments, remove insults, or delete any other content deemed inappropriate, all at our discretion. This clause will survive even if your membership ceases from the forum.
Note in particular "You also grant all third parties the right to copy, distribute, display, reproduces, and publicly perform the materials you post under the terms of the Creative Commons License". Unless there is a similar statement in the dark side's Ts & Cs, then third parties (i.e., members, the public at large), do not gain that right.
** Phil.
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Thanks Phil, (the dark side) love it,
Regards pap rika
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Alternatively jalfreziT, post your interpretation of the madras and give credit to Westy providing the inspiration for your take on on his recipe. For those disaffected members from the dark side now joining CR0, firstly a warm welcome. It will be good to see new members posting about BIR and there experiences of cooking it and mastering the art. Secondly, don't feel too much angst about replicating information on here. A very large proportion of the darkside's initial and subsequent content was plagiarised from this forum in the first instance, as many members from here who have visited stalag BIRCurries can testify, myself included!! And for those who don't know, Westy (under a different "nick") was a member here for some time before being lured elsewhere.
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Interestingly CA was always a stickler for asking if people posting "recipes" had the authors permission, which is fair and both right and proper.
Now if people on that forum develop dishes as we do by experimenting and then share the recipe and results on that forum like a :cloud: base storage, they now find themselves in a position where without paying they can no longer access their own creations / recipes,
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Alternatively jalfreziT, post your interpretation of the madras and give credit to Westy providing the inspiration for your take on on his recipe. For those disaffected members from the dark side now joining CR0, firstly a warm welcome. It will be good to see new members posting about BIR and there experiences of cooking it and mastering the art. Secondly, don't feel too much angst about replicating information on here. A very large proportion of the darkside's initial and subsequent content was plagiarised from this forum in the first instance, as many members from here who have visited stalag BIRCurries can testify, myself included!! And for those who don't know, Westy (under a different "nick") was a member here for some time before being lured elsewhere.
Interpretation is "cool" that would work :)
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Interestingly CA was always a stickler for asking if people posting "recipes" had the authors permission, which is fair and both right and proper.
Lip service I would say. There is plenty of evidence where he has done the direct opposite - the expression "when it suits" springs to mind. Enough of the darkside, enjoy everything this forum has to offer and look forward to all new contributions.
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Alternatively jalfreziT, post your interpretation of the madras and give credit to Westy providing the inspiration for your take on on his recipe. For those disaffected members from the dark side now joining CR0, firstly a warm welcome. It will be good to see new members posting about BIR and there experiences of cooking it and mastering the art. Secondly, don't feel too much angst about replicating information on here. A very large proportion of the darkside's initial and subsequent content was plagiarised from this forum in the first instance, as many members from here who have visited stalag BIRCurries can testify, myself included!! And for those who don't know, Westy (under a different "nick") was a member here for some time before being lured elsewhere.
Curryhell, you mentioned westy was once a member on this forum under a different name, do we have any links to his posts
Regards pap rika
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On this site he was known as Colin Grigson. You can use the search facility to bring his posts. Alas he did not post a madras recipe on here but I remember him for his simple dhal recipe - very nice indeed. Of course, this was soon replicated elsewhere.
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Many thanks CH :)
Regards pap rika
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On this site he was known as Colin Grigson. You can use the search facility to bring his posts. Alas he did not post a madras recipe on here but I remember him for his simple dhal recipe - very nice indeed. Of course, this was soon replicated elsewhere.
Wow! A blast from the past! (Colin, not you, Dave lol!)
I can vouch for Colin's Massur Dhal (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=7901.msg69597#msg69597) - I still use his recipe. Simple, but very moreish. I wondered where he'd gone!
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Colin's aka Westys madras
http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/imagehost/pics/80872f807ba4b608ad5afe7668300564.jpeg
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Hi Guys ,
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WElcome back me old mucker! I
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Welcome back, Colin
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Oh dear.. just received my permanent ban from BIR for Thanking your post JalferziT :P ah well, good riddance!
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Oh dear.. just received my permanent ban from BIR for Thanking your post JalferziT :P ah well, good riddance!
Tut tut, can't keep an eye out to see what's happening now lol
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The owner of the 'other' forum had control issues, in my opinion.
This was evidenced on here many times.
He liked to challenge others.
He hated being challenged himself.
If he were Prime Minister he'd make the current Government looks like a bunch of moderates.
Karma.
"We aim to be the premier internet resource for everything to do with replicating British Indian Restaurant curries at home!"
No cigar.
Welcome to all here at CRO.
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Colin's aka Westys madras
http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/imagehost/pics/80872f807ba4b608ad5afe7668300564.jpeg
EC/westy thanks for the recipe, have included an attachment of the recipe below in a clearer format
Regards pap rika
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Welcome back, Colin
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Here's an idea for a new Pinned thread in the Newbies section. New members signing up could be advised to "Read This First".
The Cory Ander story. Early days, the division, the defections,
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Not sure I would go that far but I have spotted at least once, a poster who could have been open about who they really were.
That is not really an option in this case though as I presume, whilst they every 'right' to apply and join, their experience may not be, err, comfortable, if found out (as long as they don't post... tempting as that might be).
BAJ
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BAJ. Don't take me too literally on this one. ;D I should have used a few emoticons to show that I was tongue in cheek with the suggestion. ;) ;) ;) Well mostly anyhow. Certainly a knowledge and understanding of the actual history is interesting and adds clarity to an otherwise confused mess, but the notion of it being mandatory is completely in jest.
You are correct that the possibility exists for anybody to present as a new member in order to infiltrate and monitor the goings on of this forum. Maybe it has happened before and will again. A big Cheerio to CA if you're out there reading this. :D There are certainly many sleeper members and even some of the new arrivals aren't really that new although there post activity is low (until recently).
When I first joined this forum the wounds were still relatively fresh (less than a year had passed) and I had absolutely no idea what was going on when in numerous threads different members were here and there being cried out as CA in disguise. 8) Nobody was fooled apparently, but I still don't how many, if any, were actually him. Perhaps it was actually him or maybe at least a few innocent newbies were left bewildered and confused at being accused thus.
If Mel Brooks were to make History of the World Part 2, this episode would surely get a run as a potential feature.
I see one of his last postings make reference to the antipodeans so maybe he is down here close to home. I wonder what he thinks of Australian curry.
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I do feel a bit sorry for CA, as he must be the most persecuted man in home curry cooking forum history. Every man and his dog seems to want to have a dig and it all stems from the fact that he wasn
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I do feel a bit sorry for CA, as he must be the most persecuted man in home curry cooking forum history. Every man and his dog seems to want to have a dig and it all stems from the fact that he wasn
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I've read in a few places now that he lives and runs his site from here in Australia. The crafty blighter! Is there any truth to this?
Yes, that is true, well at least it is understood that he lived there when he was on this site.
Every man and his dog seems to want to have a dig and it all stems from the fact that he wasn
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I agree with the points you have raised, I am sure his ego will bring him here to find out what is being said, hopefully common sense will allow him to read, digest, and take on board the constructive criticism he finds and have something positive come out of it.
Its sad that he permanently bans people who were and are continueing to gently try and show him the error of his ways.
That's very optimistic, and positive spirited of you mickyp. I think though he lacks self-awareness in abundance, so I suspect that this will not happen. He will seek to apportion blame to others, just like a certain '45'. Covfefe.
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Not bothered either way who joins, lurks or supposedly returns to cR0, as it is a free and open forum.
It would be nice to think they bring new and original content with them, to add to this resource.
But I doubt that to be the case as the Les Jones (CA) site was a blatant copy of cR0 in the first place.
Furthermore he did not break any original ground with it, just a load of expats trying to make a curry they remember eating somewhere over the rainbow.
How many of the refugees are expats and how many cR0 membars are still members of CAs site and are paying to be remainers there.
CA did do an enjoyable video of him trying to make Pilau rice
Worth a watch
https://youtu.be/uGYNuKhKDOs?t=176
cheers Chewy
__ DB your talking BS
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For any new members, CT is our version of CA.
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Not bothered either way who joins, lurks or supposedly returns to cR0, as it is a free and open forum.
It would be nice to think they bring new and original content with them, to add to this resource.
But I doubt that to be the case as the Les Jones (CA) site was a blatant copy of cR0 in the first place.
Furthermore he did not break any original ground with it, just a load of expats trying to make a curry they remember eating somewhere over the rainbow.
How many of the refugees are expats and how many cR0 membars are still members of CAs site and are paying to be remainers there.
CA did do an enjoyable video of him trying to make Pilau rice
Worth a watch
https://youtu.be/uGYNuKhKDOs?t=176
cheers Chewy
__ DB your talking BS
To answer your question about paid up remainers i think very few, when me made it a pay site he granted full membership to a few core active members, he had to otherwise he would have had no "paid" up full members to show in "red" he then dumped the grace period and they all reverted back to blue, so out of it i think only one or two.
I cant get on now but it seemed to me activity had dropped a noticeable amount.
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Well, that's the first time in my life that I have felt sorry for CA. Jolly good display of archetypal British stiff upper lip, I thought.
** Phil.
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Who's CA?
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I'll assume your not taking the piss!!!! (CA aka Cory Ander)
Regards pap rika
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Who's CA?
+1 - This is all water under the bridge for CR0. The subject is already generating snide comments. Let's leave the past where it belongs - in the past.
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Who's CA?
+1 - This is all water under the bridge for CR0. The subject is already generating snide comments. Let's leave the past where it belongs - in the past.
Good Idea. :)
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CAs time on here is in the past, of course, but I believe there are always lessons to learn from history. As for his forum, I had to smile when I read he was thinking of jacking it in a year or two ago, because it was taking up too much of his time,. It shares a few similarities with Andy's pathetic attempt to do better than cr0 - far too many rules and absurd restrictions, like needing to make 'meaningful' posts before being able to read much. I question his judgment, like posting a video supposedly about pilau rice and not even completing it, even if there was a gap of several weeks in the middle, due to his accident. Judgment again. How many people fall off a chair?
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I do feel a bit sorry for CA, as he must be the most persecuted man in home curry cooking forum history
I feel a bit sorry for him too (despite joining the many who have been on the sharp end of his "permanent ban").
The way I see it, one person having disagreements with one or two other people on the internet is normal. But for one person to have such conflict with so many suggests (a possibly undiagnosed) mental health issue. If that is the case, and I can't see any other explanation, then I've got bucket loads more sympathy than criticism.
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Just visited BIRcurries for the first time in a few months and discovered the paywall. I think it's crazy. And it's not even legal to put user-copyrighted content behind a paywall.
What the hell are they thinking? Most of us just want to cook curries.
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Don't sweat it Peshwarinaan :) The traffic on the other site is dropping quicker than a highwayman in Tyburn. You're better off here. A friendly bunch, with an adequate sprinkling of obnoxious members to keep it interesting ;D
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Im so glad the said aforementioned forum is been been lambasted, i was a member and found the main man ( we all know who it is) to be a very rude and had little man syndrome!!!
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Donald's assessment seems very fair and balanced to me, but I don't think that it is in this site's best interests if we use its resources to discuss former members. May I therefore respectfully request that we regard this topic as closed, and move on to more relevant and interesting discussions ?
** Phil.
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Donald's assessment seems very fair and balanced to me, but I don't think that it is in this site's best interests if we use its resources to discuss former members. May I therefore respectfully request that we regard this topic as closed, and move on to more relevant and interesting discussions ?
** Phil.
I don't think I've every disagreed with a post you've made, until now.
Whilst the other site is still running, there will always be a trickle of leavers who will end up here.
Some might have put work in to documentating, photographing and posting their own recipes on the other site, only to find themselves banned and no longer able to access their own work. Meanwhile they know the site owner is charging newcomers to view someone' else's work.
Ask yourself, are those people going to be just slightly annoyed?
If they end up here, do they want someone to say, "the topic is closed, move on" ?
Or do they want someone to say, "Hey newcomer, welcome! Pull up a chair, have a cup of tea, and tell us all about it. Get it off your chest, and after that we'll tell you what a great friendly community we are, and how warmly we welcome you".
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Many thanks for your comments, JT, which are much appreciated. I genuinely believed that such discussion was not helpful (particularly if it focusses on an individual), but if you disagree then others may as well, so I would seek guidance from Yousef as to what site policy is (or should be) on such matters.
** Phil.
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Some might have put work in to documentating, photographing and posting their own recipes on the other site, only to find themselves banned and no longer able to access their own work.
When you signed up to the site there no doubt was a clause giving total ownership of all posts to the site owner. You either failed to read it or ignored it and thus paid the price. Life lesson. Move on. And also be glad that this forum is so accommodating to those who have [moderated: "chosen to return here after becoming disillusioned with the other place"].
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Some might have put work in to documentating, photographing and posting their own recipes on the other site, only to find themselves banned and no longer able to access their own work.
When you signed up to the site there no doubt was a clause giving total ownership of all posts to the site owner. You either failed to read it or ignored it and thus paid the price. Life lesson. Move on.
Um, I have to admit to having never posted my recipes on the other forum.
My post was speaking from a position of altruism. I don't doubt you will need to look that one up. Yes, dig was intended :evil:
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When you signed up to the site there no doubt was a clause giving total ownership of all posts to the site owner. You either failed to read it or ignored it and thus paid the price. Life lesson. Move on. And also be glad that this forum is so accommodating to those who have [moderated: "chosen to return here after becoming disillusioned with the other place"].
Yes, probably something like: (https://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=11511.0)
14) Rights In Posted Materials: By posting on this message board, you relinquish all exclusive copyrights to any materials you Post and furthermore, you grant Curry-Recipes.co.uk non-exclusive, non-revocable worldwide, royalty-free rights to copy, distribute, display, reproduce, modify, adapt, create derivative works, and publicly perform the materials in perpetuity in all forms. This license applies to all works of authorship including, but not limited to, written materials (e.g., text), audio, audio-visual materials, graphics, and images.
:cool:
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I do believe I meandered into said site thinking it would be a friendly curry orientated good natured forum. How wrong can one be. Insulting members seemed to be the main objective for more than one person there - so much so - being on the receiving end, I beat a hasty retreat, incurring a ban for my farewell comments. C