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Title: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: pap rika on January 20, 2020, 02:31 AM
He has returned, check out the link

https://youtu.be/tM0Sy6NSqOw
 
   Whilst he may not be to everyone's taste. You've got to give him credit for his contributions. I for one am glad to see his return

Regards pap rika
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: mickyp on January 20, 2020, 09:25 AM
Im sure that's an old one Pap, i seem to remember the background noise when i first watched it. he did do some good stuff though.

Having said that looking at the comments it may well be new. :smile:
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: pap rika on January 20, 2020, 12:38 PM
Hi mickyp
                    Definitely new content , he seems to be making a comeback.

Regards Pap rika
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on January 20, 2020, 12:53 PM
Good Lord, the Second Coming.  I never thought it would happen in my lifetime ...
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: mickyp on January 20, 2020, 02:32 PM
Good Lord, the Second Coming.  I never thought it would happen in my lifetime ...

The more the merrier Phil  :like:
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: pap rika on January 20, 2020, 03:02 PM
Yep, he's definitely back. Check out the recent link and download the ebook he has provided .

https://youtu.be/onoWnt4uL1o

Regards pap rika
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on January 20, 2020, 04:08 PM
Downloaded as suggested, Pap.  Many thanks for linking to the link.
** Phil.
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: martinvic on January 20, 2020, 11:05 PM
How do you download the ebook?

 I click on the link but it just opens a picture of the cover for me.
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on January 20, 2020, 11:35 PM
 OK, I do the following (with some difficulty, as the cat has just sat on my lap ...) —

1) View video
2) Click on Dropbox link in accompanying prose (https://www.dropbox.com/s/yx7axzh5l4o...)
3) End up at https://www.dropbox.com/s/yx7axzh5l4okqr9/Curry.pdf?dl=0
4) Observe "Download" button top-right.
5) Click on downward-pointing triangle to immediate right of word "Download"
6) Click on "Direct download"
7) Choose "Save file" in preference to "Open with"
8] Click on "OK"
9) Select download location
10) Click on "Save"

Your browser might vary.

** Phil.

Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: martinvic on January 21, 2020, 11:25 AM
Thanks Phil, no download button for me anywhere I can see (Chrome).

Seems to be just a .PNG image if I right click on it too.
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on January 21, 2020, 11:54 AM
I don't have Chrome installed, but in Firefox (my second browser, main is Seamonkey) I see not a "Download" button as text but instead just an underlined downward pointing arrow.  Anyhow, don't worry too much — I can send you a direct download link via PM.

** Phil.
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: martinvic on January 21, 2020, 12:36 PM
Worked OK on Firefox, so who knows.
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: romain on January 21, 2020, 11:06 PM
I'm genuinely curious. I don't really see the point of this technique. This is just adding a tadka (some say baghar) to your curry base. I'm of the mind that I like to keep my base simple and tailor flavour to a specific profile when I make a curry. If I think a curry needs a finishing tadka I add it to the curry. I always bloom my spices in oil so maybe this is skewing my perspective?

Other than speed in a production kitchen what advantage does this have? Seems to me all this does is push all your curries to taste similar in the end by using a stronger flavoured base.
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: livo on January 21, 2020, 11:30 PM
It worked for me using Chrome. Followed the links. Print to pdf.
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: SnS on January 22, 2020, 01:08 AM
I'm genuinely curious. I don't really see the point of this technique. This is just adding a tadka (some say baghar) to your curry base. I'm of the mind that I like to keep my base simple and tailor flavour to a specific profile when I make a curry. If I think a curry needs a finishing tadka I add it to the curry. I always bloom my spices in oil so maybe this is skewing my perspective?

Other than speed in a production kitchen what advantage does this have? Seems to me all this does is push all your curries to taste similar in the end by using a stronger flavoured base.

I agree with you. Certainly doesn't sound like something that a typical BIR (especially a TA) would dedicate either the time or material to when more traditional 70's/80's/90's methods produced a very decent enough curry. I believed the whole idea behind the base gravy was that it was 'mildly spiced' so that a few spices could be added to allow a whole range of flavours. If the gravy is over-spiced then that would limit the flexibility of the gravy - something I'm sure they wouldn't do. Certainly appears to be a lot of additional time and effort to produce for what is essentially (as you say) a tadka.  However i am genuinely interested to see the outcome of this 'modern' gravy method.
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: Sverige on January 22, 2020, 09:13 AM
First of all, welcome back to smokenspices, always fun when a prodigal son returns to the forum  :like:

I believe the point to what H4ppy Chris is trying, is to get “the taste” - that elusive takeaway authentic flavour which many have convinced themselves is impossible at home.  I also happen to agree that this adding of such a large (by proportion) bhagar to the base is going to give you a strongly spiced and less flexible base, and I don’t believe it’s good practice or likely to be widespread amongst BIRs. I recall that H4C said Sam (the takeaway chef whose recipes he is posting) told him he was entirely self taught and had come up with his own methods, which might not be how everyone does it.

What it does give a useful pointer to, is that “the taste” of BIR is just well cooked spices, and people who are struggling to cook good BIR are not getting their spices fully cooked. This is something that’s been emphasised many times by senior members like Chewytikka, who has a much better basis to claim the title “most contributing member” on this forum than the person who has driven him off the forum by deleted / editing all his posts.

I digress.  It’s nice that H4ppy Chris has finally given up his contribution, after so much teasing, but I think the amount of attention he’s received is all down to the excess hype, and not really in line with the quality of the info. Also good he shared it freely in the end, perhaps finally having understood the basis on which these curry forums have run since the days guys like you SnS were expanding the knowledge base from which we all now benefit.

I will certainly make a batch of Chris’s base and expect it will make a decent curry, but cooking the mix powder well is not “entirely new” info as he trailed it, and his level of hype was entirely uncalled for.
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: romain on January 22, 2020, 12:49 PM
This is something that’s been emphasised many times by senior members like Chewytikka, who has a much better basis to claim the title “most contributing member” on this forum than the person who has driven him off the forum by deleted / editing all his posts.



I'm sorry - people's posts are being edited/deleted? This is why I flamed out at that other forum. If that is a practice here it would be good to know before becoming overly invested...
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: Yousef on January 22, 2020, 01:34 PM
This is something that’s been emphasised many times by senior members like Chewytikka, who has a much better basis to claim the title “most contributing member” on this forum than the person who has driven him off the forum by deleted / editing all his posts.



I'm sorry - people's posts are being edited/deleted? This is why I flamed out at that other forum. If that is a practice here it would be good to know before becoming overly invested...

Hello romain, just to clear out the truth of what happened, the posts were moderated and not edited/deleted, our team did that because that member used racial and sexism language, additionally he posted some private information about another members place of living and work location, that was a clear violation to our terms and conditions.
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: romain on January 22, 2020, 02:05 PM
Ah, I see. That makes sense. Thank you for clarifying.
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: Yousef on January 22, 2020, 02:16 PM
Ah, I see. That makes sense. Thank you for clarifying.

:like:
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: SnS on January 22, 2020, 06:57 PM
Hi Sverige

Thank you for your welcoming comments.

However, for the time being I'm just visiting and seeing how the forum has developed and what's new in the world of BIR.

Not sure yet whether I'll be contributing as I'm old school BIR and it looks like things have moved on a tad - but time will tell.

Cheers.  :like:

SnS (smokenspices)
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: romain on January 23, 2020, 12:26 AM
Hi Sverige

Thank you for your welcoming comments.

However, for the time being I'm just visiting and seeing how the forum has developed and what's new in the world of BIR.

Not sure yet whether I'll be contributing as I'm old school BIR and it looks like things have moved on a tad - but time will tell.

Cheers.  :like:

SnS (smokenspices)

If I may, what defines old school? I'm always keen to learn and all too often what is old is what is new...
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: Onions on January 23, 2020, 12:39 AM
Birmingham in the late 70s. Or to quote Alan Partridge, "men in platform shoes getting arrested for bombings"   :smile2:
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: romain on January 23, 2020, 02:18 AM
Haha. I was hoping for something a bit more specific. Like here's a link to a recipe(s) that embodies old school BIR for instance :smile2:
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: pete on January 24, 2020, 09:32 PM
For what it's worth, I saw something very like Chris's magic oil ingredient at three takeaway kitchens I visited.

First time I was left alone in a takeaway kitchen,  for a few minutes while the chef was  taking an order  over the phone
Curiousity got the better of me.
I opened and had a very good look in their Fridge
Kept in large empty cans from white tower puree, was old oil
Loads of it
I tasted a bit
slightly hot a bit spicy, nothing obviously that special
For ages I thought this was salvaged by simply scooped off the top curry gravy. Then I thought maybe it was just old bhajee oil.
They never told me
But when I made reference to the special oil the chef said something very odd to me
"a tiger never shows all his teeth"
still don't know what that means
But I never found out the origin of the oil.
Then one day I randomly asked for some
and I was given a litre of it.
Using this oil as an ingredient I made the best curry gravy I ever cooked
Totally authentic
And the curries I made using the gravy, were absolutely perfect.
Just like the ones that takeaway made
I knew all their recipes, but up to that point could not duplicate them

A second time I came into contact with similar oil was at a takeaway making up a big batch of gravy.
Must be 14 years ago now
They had done the boiling loads of onion bit and left the pot for half an hour
The oil rose to the top of the pan
They scooped this off into another pan
They added, garlic, tomato puree and spices
then added loads of water
They boiled it til it had reduced right down again
Maybe took 20 minutes
Meanwhile they blended the boiled onion mix
Then added the oily mixture to it
I got asked to leave after then!
Apparently I was making chef nervous
So didn't see the whole Gravy method

The third time I saw oil like this was much simpler
The chef had old bhajee/poppadom oil
He had a chip pan full of it
He heated tomato puree, garlic ginger and spices for a few minutes then simply poured this into a cooked blended Onion mix in a large saucepan.
Don't know if it was important but the onion mix had been prepared the day before
then it was boiled up again and this oil came to the top

at all  the places where I used to visit, the gravy was way better than anything I could make at home
It was the whole essence of the curry made using it

so I'm really looking forward to trying Chris's recipe
Never had proper quantities before

and it will keep me pleasantly occupied for a while
I will post the results
Good or Bad

Thank you Chris


Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: Secret Santa on January 25, 2020, 09:26 PM
The third time I saw oil like this was much simpler
The chef had old bhajee/poppadom oil
He had a chip pan full of it
He heated tomato puree, garlic ginger and spices for a few minutes then simply poured this into a cooked blended Onion mix in a large saucepan.
Don't know if it was important but the onion mix had been prepared the day before
then it was boiled up again and this oil came to the top

I think this is the essence of the "technique" and I seem to recall pointing this out to Chris on this forum somewhere just before he gave up on his ebook and disappeared into the wilderness. Kris Dhillon does essentially the same thing in her book, although for a much shorter cooking time. It wasn't new then and it isn't new now (as a technique). I think it was the final realisation that he actually didn't have anything new that stopped him in his tracks.

I wish I could find the post where I predicted what his unknown, ground-breaking technique would be.
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: Secret Santa on January 25, 2020, 09:36 PM
He pours "the magic" in at around 25.10 on this video back in 2013!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A91qv2O5eQw
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: Secret Santa on January 25, 2020, 09:39 PM
Haha. I was hoping for something a bit more specific. Like here's a link to a recipe(s) that embodies old school BIR for instance :smile2:

Doesn't exist. That's why people like me get miffed. If you could find a chef from the 70s or 80s maybe they would reveal the techniques they used to achieve it.
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: livo on January 26, 2020, 02:37 AM
I do believe we actually had one SS.  Maybe even more than one over the years.
Some tough rubbery marinated chicken pieces, off the bone, done in the tandoor (or under the grill on skewers) anybody?
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: curryhell on January 27, 2020, 09:42 PM
I wish I could find the post where I predicted what his unknown, ground-breaking technique would be.

You'll find it here Santa

https://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=12073.msg96675#msg96675
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: Donald Brasco on January 28, 2020, 09:10 AM
I think you mean here:
https://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=12073.msg96795#msg96795

Reading that thread through, Mr Happy certainly did like to tease.  Would have been much better just to post the info on the forum rather than all that nonsense.
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: Alchemist on January 28, 2020, 11:51 PM
I will be making a batch of this in a couple of days time so will feedback what I think of the gravy and also the madras I intend to use as a tester for it. I suspect it will not be a game changer...


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Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: Secret Santa on January 29, 2020, 03:11 PM
You'll find it here Santa

https://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=12073.msg96675#msg96675

Thanks CH. I was so right! (We need a gloating icon ...  :lol:)
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: Secret Santa on January 29, 2020, 03:17 PM
Reading that thread through, Mr Happy certainly did like to tease.  Would have been much better just to post the info on the forum rather than all that nonsense.

The problem was that in his naivety he'd dug himself a hole by insisting that he had the secret and it had never been seen before. Once it was pointed out to him that he had nothing new he should just have stopped there and come clean. His ebook would still have been useful. Not so much now though, seven years later.
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: Naga on January 30, 2020, 07:53 AM
You'll find it here Santa

https://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=12073.msg96675#msg96675

Thanks CH. I was so right! (We need a gloating icon ...  :lol:)

 :like:  :angel:
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: Naga on January 30, 2020, 07:54 AM
Reading that thread through, Mr Happy certainly did like to tease.  Would have been much better just to post the info on the forum rather than all that nonsense.

The problem was that in his naivety he'd dug himself a hole by insisting that he had the secret and it had never been seen before. Once it was pointed out to him that he had nothing new he should just have stopped there and come clean. His ebook would still have been useful. Not so much now though, seven years later.

Spot on SS!
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: Alchemist on January 31, 2020, 08:31 AM
So, as promised I made the 'magic paste' and the base gravy this week, followed by a few curries.

The paste did have a lovely TA aroma to it, so I was almost 'dancing around the kitchen' after making it. I then made the base with the paste as Chris describes in his ebook. The aroma did not really come through in the base once made.

First I made a chicken tikka madras, after diluting the base to the normal milky like levels I have always used. It did not cook in the normal manner, no oil separation and I ended up with a pastey curry, that tasted overspiced.

I tried again, another madras, this time diluting the base to be quite watery and got much better results. The madras was tasty, BUT no better than anything I have made with other bases. I made a few more curries (all made on the high output burner, following the same non-stirring style that Sam the chef at Chris' TA uses) and got similar results.

My verdict is this is a very nice base that will make tasty curries. In no way is it some secret answer to creating a world class BIR style curry. 7 years of waiting and feeling disappointed but not at all surprised.
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: mickyp on January 31, 2020, 09:53 AM
Thanks for your effort and feedback Alchy, :like:
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: Madrasandy on January 31, 2020, 06:25 PM

7 years of waiting and feeling disappointed but not at all surprised.

Chewytikka’s pressure cooker base won’t let you down
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: romain on February 01, 2020, 04:54 AM
Alchy - Crazy question - what if you added a tablespoon of the paste to a final curry? With a drizzle of the spiced oil. I'm wondering, for big flavoured curries like madras, would it give it something special?

Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: livo on February 01, 2020, 10:39 AM

Chewytikka’s pressure cooker base won’t let you down

Precisely.  100% and if you care to do as he has hinted (or suggested), add some chicken bones into the mix then strain before blending.  Apparently this was how it was done in the halcyon days of yore and it does make a great base gravy.

CT's contributions wont ever let you down and if you've been fortunate enough to get a PM with a little tip or two, even better.   :wink: Thanks Chewy.
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: Alchemist on February 03, 2020, 06:42 AM
Alchy - Crazy question - what if you added a tablespoon of the paste to a final curry? With a drizzle of the spiced oil. I'm wondering, for big flavoured curries like madras, would it give it something special?

Yes, something I did think about afterwards. I think it could add something and would be worth experimenting with


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Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: mickdabass on February 04, 2020, 03:37 PM
Seems odd no ones mentioned the e-book or am I missing something??

https://www.youtube.com/redirect?redir_token=tneQ_RINfN4zuvaW_Y2y_QwM2xt8MTU4MDkxNjgzM0AxNTgwODMwNDMz&v=onoWnt4uL1o&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dropbox.com%2Fs%2Fyx7axzh5l4okqr9%2FCurry.pdf%3Fdl%3D0&event=video_description

Regards

Mick
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: Alchemist on February 04, 2020, 04:09 PM
I did download the ebook, not much in it but has details of the base gravy and paste, ok for free and a quick look


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Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on February 04, 2020, 05:30 PM
Seems odd no ones mentioned the e-book or am I missing something??

Yes !

Yep, he's definitely back. Check out the recent link and download the ebook he has provided .

https://youtu.be/onoWnt4uL1o

Regards pap rika
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: mickdabass on February 04, 2020, 06:29 PM
ahh thanks Phil

Only three weeks behind now lol.
Nice to see the forum busier again  :cool:
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: Alchemist on February 05, 2020, 09:57 PM

Chewytikka’s pressure cooker base won’t let you down

Precisely.  100% and if you care to do as he has hinted (or suggested), add some chicken bones into the mix then strain before blending.  Apparently this was how it was done in the halcyon days of yore and it does make a great base gravy.

CT's contributions wont ever let you down and if you've been fortunate enough to get a PM with a little tip or two, even better.   :wink: Thanks Chewy.
Do you have a link to this recipe?


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Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: pap rika on February 05, 2020, 10:15 PM
Hi Alchemist, Check out this link, it's chewytikka,s YouTube channel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cG5n-hpHMA#ws

Regards pap rika
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: Onions on February 13, 2020, 08:08 PM
I do believe we actually had one SS.  Maybe even more than one over the years.
Some tough rubbery marinated chicken pieces, off the bone, done in the tandoor (or under the grill on skewers) anybody?

Mmmm bombay duck   :smile2: :cute:

And chicken off the bone? You must pay 25p extra  :)
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: mickyp on February 14, 2020, 06:05 PM
I do believe we actually had one SS.  Maybe even more than one over the years.
Some tough rubbery marinated chicken pieces, off the bone, done in the tandoor (or under the grill on skewers) anybody?

Mmmm bombay duck   :smile2: :cute:

And chicken off the bone? You must pay 25p extra  :)


I remember having to pay extra for off the bone lol
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on February 14, 2020, 09:31 PM
I remember having to pay extra for off the bone lol

When I started eating BIR (a term as yet to be invented), off the bone was +50p, and the same supplement for breast, so each main course used to cost £1-00 more than the menu price ...  And that at a time when a main course was around £4-50.

** Phil.
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: Onions on February 15, 2020, 11:54 AM
Yeah, didn't someone post a picture of a 70s menu here at some point?

I remember phall had an odd name; what was it now. Banglaphall or something?
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on February 15, 2020, 12:18 PM
Bangalore phall — I still call it that.  And attached is a menu from that period (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT5vNcvWAAEGBY-.jpg), clearly shewing the supplement for breast and/or off the bone, but there are no currency units so it's not entirely clear what they were charging ...

** Phil.
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: romain on February 15, 2020, 08:04 PM
Bangalore phall — I still call it that.  And attached is a menu from that period (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT5vNcvWAAEGBY-.jpg), clearly shewing the supplement for breast and/or off the bone, but there are no currency units so it's not entirely clear what they were charging ...

** Phil.

My local calls it Bangalore Phall as well so the name lives on this side of the pond anyway.
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: pete on February 16, 2020, 10:36 PM
well, I had a go using the ebook. I made the bombay potato
The potatoes are pre cooked by deep frying with with no spices.
A different approach but you know it's not that bad an idea
I've pre cooked far worse using " genuine" methods
I made the spicey oil and secret paste
I also made the gravy as per the book
Then I went on to make the Bombay potato recipe.
A lot of work but I knew it would be
I also made the Lamb Kabab from his book
To tell the truth it all is a little confusing because the book recipes really don't show the same as his online videos
With the base gravy and spicey oil video, there is none of the books adding very hot oil a spoon at a time to watered down cooking spices.
In fact the quantities don't tally either
One part says 500ml of oil
Another says 700ml
Who knows?
I AM grateful that he put the book out
So thank you Chris

The results?
Well the curry was ok
Nothing really better than I can make already though
Not far off the Adey Payne recipes I was shown

But I must say the kebab was very good
I froze some and had a bit again last Friday
Thought it was even better the second time around

With the gravy and magic paste
Maybe I cooked it wrong
I did what I thought was right, but it's not the same as seeing something done or being shown how to do it first hand
Perhaps the garlic ginger should have been fried longer?
It's not really clear

Anyhow see pictures below

Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: livo on February 16, 2020, 11:32 PM
Good effort pete.  It's refreshing to see someone have a go at a set of working recipes and take the time to report back on the results instead of just voicing on it from just reading about it.  Doing all the prep for a start to finish is a lot of work and it's often difficult to devote the time.

I can't say I'm surprised at your description of the end results and difficulties though.  I guess at this stage in the evolution of home cooked BIR, there isn't a lot to be learnt that isn't already known.

It's good to know the kebabs are good. I'll give them a try based on your recommendation.
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: pete on February 17, 2020, 08:00 AM
the kebabs are very good but there is inconsistancy between his book and video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcWQMyXVZ74&list=UU9rT1AQMqTGiOO8uEf8foSA&index=33&t=0s
in the video he drains off excess liquid from the minced onion, he adds muiced chicken to the mix and he also uses a special takeaway fried kashmiri masala. I would like to try that version as well. making the kashmiri masala is a job in itself when combined with everything else you are doing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3d21zsmM8E&list=UU9rT1AQMqTGiOO8uEf8foSA&index=22
I mean how far do you want to take this?
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: livo on February 19, 2020, 05:56 AM
Well let's try to inject a bit of life into the forum.

Here are some photographs of me cooking the last bit of Kebab mix as a Chef's Sampler. I made 32 X 60 g kebabs that will be going into the Tandoor this afternoon, weather permitting.

I ended up with a little bit left over so I made a mess on the cooktop. Delicious.

Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: livo on February 19, 2020, 05:57 AM
And next:
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: livo on February 19, 2020, 06:03 AM
Explanations will follow, but I'm busy cooking.  I made some changes to the recipe.
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Post by: livo on February 19, 2020, 06:06 AM
I will try to photograph the rest of the process but I can't guarantee it.
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Post by: Peripatetic Phil on February 19, 2020, 08:41 AM
I will try to photograph the rest of the process but I can't guarantee it.
Beer does have that effect, Livo — sad fact of life !
Title: Re: h4ppyleader secret base and spiced oil revealed
Post by: livo on February 19, 2020, 08:10 PM
More a matter of just being too busy preparing other dishes and tasks to take photos, however, I did manage to. I'll post them in a little while after I get them off my phone and resize them. You made me look again at the photos already posted. No beer cans evident. There is 1 or 2 in the pictures to come. I used them to prop the kebab skewers up.  I'm now paranoid that you're watching me from afar Phil. :omg:

Changes I made to H4ppychris ' recipe.
I only had 2 green cayenne Chili so I added 1/2 of each a green, red and yellow capsicum. Finely diced and pressed between absorbent paper towel to remove moisture.
I used Bolst's Kashmiri paste.
Substituted All-purpose seasoning in place of salt and also added a small amount of Knorr Chicken seasoning.
500 g beef mince, 500 g lamb mince and 300 g chicken mince.
The eggs were small so I added 2 and increased gram flour to 1/2 cup.
Mix was a bit wet so I added 1 cup of panko breadcrumbs.

Only 1 kebab dropped off the skewer and they were delicious. Served with brown Basmati pilau rice with Turmeric and fresh garden salad. A very nice summer dinner.

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Post by: Peripatetic Phil on February 19, 2020, 08:55 PM
Well done Livo.  I cooked chicken tikka in the Tepro grill again this evening, this time using my freshly sharpened 8mm square barbecue skewers, and once again it was not bad at all.  There is now, in my mind, no doubt that achieving a very high temperature (800C, in the case of the Tepro) is essential if one is to achieve perfect tandoori or tikka — all the juices are sealed in, and the results are beautifully moist whilst also being perfectly cooked.  Sorry, no photographs — too busy cooking and eating again ...
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Post by: livo on February 19, 2020, 10:07 PM
More photos of the cooking and eating process. (Beer cans included in these Phil.  I knew spy satellites were good but I didn't know they could see through the roof.)  Great Northern Super Crisp is a very tasty and refreshing mid strength lager.

Anyway.
30 kebabs on 5 skewers.
1st 3 skewers into the heat.
2nd batch on the go.
1 lot cooked (1 fell off).
2nd batch cooked.
Off the skewers.
On the plate.
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Post by: Peripatetic Phil on February 19, 2020, 10:14 PM
Very nice (apart from the veg!).  One question, if I may ?  From the photographs, the heat emanates from the bottom of the tandoor; are the kebabs at the top cooked as much as those at the bottom ?  Oh, and a cultural question, now that I've looked at the photographs again — have Australians adopted the American practice of eating only with a fork, or are the knife and spoon simply out of frame ?

** Phil.
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Post by: livo on February 19, 2020, 10:46 PM
The Pakistani Tandoor is a double walled unit with double ring gas burners.  The inside cooking surface is a type of steel and the outside is Stainless Steel.  One burner heats the inside of the tandoor through aligned holes in the bottom and the other burns up into the gap between the internal and external walls. You can control them separately and having the wall burner on high you get heat going right to the top and can control the wall temperature for doing naan.  It is quite primitive in design and manufacture but efficient in operation. 

I usually put lump charcoal inside and once it's alight turn the bottom gas burner right down.  Once the lid is on it is pretty even temperature and the top ones cook perfectly well.  It is fairly even although the bottom ones do get a bit extra. Not enough to worry about as you can see from the photographs of the cooked kebabs while still on the skewers.

Which veg are you unhappy with Phil?  The capsicum in the kebabs, the potato separators or the broccoli and carrot in the salad?

There is a black handled knife on the table under my daughter's hand, partially obscured by the plate.  An interesting point on this though. Just yesterday morning it was reported on the TV news breakfast program that the skills of eating with knife and fork are diminishing in the younger population, along with hand-writing skills and penmanship.  It appears that pushing buttons, swiping touchscreens and eating with the hands is all that is required in the younger generation.
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Post by: mickyp on February 20, 2020, 03:16 PM
Very nice (apart from the veg!).  One question, if I may ?  From the photographs, the heat emanates from the bottom of the tandoor; are the kebabs at the top cooked as much as those at the bottom ?  Oh, and a cultural question, now that I've looked at the photographs again — have Australians adopted the American practice of eating only with a fork, or are the knife and spoon simply out of frame ?

** Phil.

Interesting question Phil,

I tend to load my skewers (8mm sq) with about eight pieces of Tikka followed by half a potato or onion to protect the first piece of chicken from the charcoal.

Obviously none of the skewers are vertical they go diagonally to rest on the mouth of the tandoor.

Heatwise you have a good layer of charcoal at the base, reflected heat off the side wall and the heat from the skewer cooking from the middle of the meat.
if the area of the sacrificial potato / onion is big enough i reckon it all gets done at pretty much the same time.