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Title: On writing style ...
Post by: Onions on January 23, 2020, 11:21 AM
If you don't have the freezer space or just don't want to make a big batch of base there's a way that comes close to restaurant style. IMO it will get you 80 percent of the way there and you can make it one curry at a time.

You can check it out here (https://glebekitchen.com/easy-curry-recipe-technique-nearly-restaurant-style/).

Swap the chicken for paneer in  this recipe (https://glebekitchen.com/nearly-restaurant-style-chicken-saag-curry/) and you'll have a pretty good saag paneer.

Hope you find something that works for you. Ultimately, if you get into BIR you'll wind up finding a way to make a big batch of curry base. It's a rabbit hole I've fallen down certainly.

Excellent blog Romaine. Just FYI, you have permission to use more than an average of five words per sentence And there is more punctuation available than just a full-stop.  :smile2: ~~~~
Title: Re: On writing style ...
Post by: mickyp on January 23, 2020, 12:33 PM

Excellent blog Romaine. Just FYI, you have permission to use more than an average of five words per sentence And there is more punctuation available than just a full-stop.  :smile2: ~~~~

In Romain's (note no e  :angel:) defence he is running a blog that could be read by people who get short of breath so he is probably keeping them in mind, also you can have far to much Grammarmasala in a recipe you know :smile:
Title: Re: On writing style ...
Post by: Secret Santa on January 23, 2020, 12:35 PM
If you could be bothered looking far enough you will find I'm a strong advocate of non-linear scaling of "bulk dishes". I am however a firm believer that base gravy is able to be made at any volume with pretty much direct linear scaling...

And the prize for best oxymoron goes to ...

Title: Re: On writing style ...
Post by: romain on January 23, 2020, 12:49 PM

Excellent blog Romaine. Just FYI, you have permission to use more than an average of five words per sentence And there is more punctuation available than just a full-stop.  :smile2: ~~~~

Thank you. The writing style is a conscious choice. I like to think it is a differentiator. And I do get quite a bit of positive feedback so I am going to stick with it. Part of the brand, as it were.

There are many, many blogs out there with a rambling, disjointed style of writing where the reader is forced to follow along the author's thoughts over multiple lines - and multiple logical sentences and I find that a bit tiresome to read so I avoid it by using a choppy, broken up style of writing both to improve the user experience and frankly because I am not a fan of sentences the length of a paragraph.

I trust you see why I write the way I do? Based on the sentence above? :clown2:
Title: Re: On writing style ...
Post by: Onions on January 23, 2020, 12:50 PM

Excellent blog Romaine. Just FYI, you have permission to use more than an average of five words per sentence And there is more punctuation available than just a full-stop.  :smile2: ~~~~

In Romain's (note no e  :angel:) defence he is running a blog that could be read by people who get short of breath so he is probably keeping them in mind, also you can have far to much Grammarmasala in a recipe you know :smile:

Yeah!  :cool: good one  :owsome:  FWITW, I meant what I said about the blog, the recipes are awesome. Just that the prose is a little...Gatling gun   :lol:  But we wouldn't have it any other way.

E.g., Turkish cuisine often calls for onion juice, which is a complete bark (pissing about wringing out raw onions etc), but that nuking technique might be just what I'm looking for (as a paste rather than juice, but hoping there's little difference in the end product).

(And apologies for the Romain+e, I must've been thinking of lettuce!)
Title: Re: On writing style ...
Post by: romain on January 23, 2020, 12:57 PM
Haha. Gatling gun indeed. Try subvocalizing it when you read it. People who know me personally tell me they hear me speaking when they read my blog. Conversational.

It's not perfect. Just pretty close. I like to think of it as a gateway curry. You have to bloom your spices in oil for this to work. IMO you need to bloom your spices no matter what though so YMMV.
Title: Re: On writing style ...
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on January 23, 2020, 01:58 PM
The style can, and does, alienate some readers, just as does (I am sure) my own preference for long, convoluted, sentences with multiple subordinate clauses, archaic spellings ("shewn"), less common spellings ("pulao"), foreign spellings ("joghurt"), an insistence on the correct diacritics for foreign words such as "r
Title: Re: On writing style ...
Post by: romain on January 23, 2020, 04:44 PM
If that's aimed at my style let it be known that if they don't like the writing they are free to go elsewhere. I simply do not care. That too, is a conscious choice.
Title: Re: On writing style ...
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on January 23, 2020, 05:05 PM
If that's aimed at my style [...]

Not certain whether "that" refers to my immediately preceding post, or to another, but for clarification the only part of my post that referred to (not "was aimed at") your style was the first eight words ("The style can, and does, alienate some readers").  All the rest was aimed at (and referred to) my own distinctly prolix contributions ...

** Phil.
Title: Re: On writing style ...
Post by: romain on January 23, 2020, 06:05 PM
That's exactly how I read it, yes.  :smile:
Title: Re: On writing style ...
Post by: Garp on January 23, 2020, 06:56 PM
I know which 'style' I prefer.
Title: Re: On writing style ...
Post by: Ghoulie on January 24, 2020, 12:10 PM
My eldest daughter is an Alexander Technique practitioner ( I know - wtf is that? Google it!).  Obscure subject to say the least!  She would often grab me as a bod to practice on when I visited her - which didn't impress me as a 'non- believer'.

After qualifiying, she told me she wanted to write a paperback basic introduction to the AT system to enable the public to get a grasp of the subject - since all written matter to date on the subject was off putting to say the least.

Having trained and managed sales reps for many years - and listened to their gripes about how crap secretaries were in typing up their reports for customers, I would always point out to them that the typists only typed what they as reps wrote - rarely bothering to read their hand-written  matter or attempt to understand it.  Part of their training would then become the art of writing up a report that is simple to understand - even for a layman - without jargon, and is succint, short and to the point.

So when my daughter expressed this wish to write an easily understandable intro booklet to AT, I gave her the benefit of my rep report writing training stuff to utilise in her approach on this obscure topic.  The end result has won her considerable acclaim with the public and her AT peers.  Her name is Angela Bradshaw if you want to look her up - link the name to Alexander Technique.
Title: Re: On writing style ...
Post by: romain on January 24, 2020, 01:28 PM
I personally believe that there is something to be said for clarity. I have degrees in biochemistry and business. I can write convoluted, jargon-filled sentences with the best of them.

I work intermittently with a professional writer. He has taught me some fundamental techniques. Avoid passive voice. Keep things concise. Be clear. Know what you are trying to say. And just say it.

I have a tool as part of my blog publishing environment that runs the Flesch-Kincaid readability test on my writing. It also keeps an eye on excessive use of passive voice and flags run-on sentences. I try to maintain a score of somewhere around 80 which is considered, according to wikipedia, to be conversational and easy to read.

The snippet below gets a score of 35. Granted it is a small sample but anything in the 30-40 range is considered difficult to read. The example given on Wikipedia for prose written at this level of complexity is Harvard Law Review.

"The style can, and does, alienate some readers, just as does (I am sure) my own preference for long, convoluted, sentences with multiple subordinate clauses, archaic spellings ("shewn"), less common spellings ("pulao"), foreign spellings ("joghurt"), an insistence on the correct diacritics for foreign words such as "r
Title: Re: On writing style ...
Post by: mickyp on January 24, 2020, 02:43 PM
Reminds me about a programme i saw about Winston Churchill, his secretary said "when he was dictating he used to mumble, so rather than ask him to repeat she used to make it up.
Title: Re: On writing style ...
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on January 24, 2020, 03:00 PM
And yet if you read, for example, Churchill's The story of the Malakand Field Force, written when he was just 22 years of age, you will see what a brilliant and inspired writer he was.  I quote just his opening words :

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On general grounds I deprecate prefaces.  I have always thought that if an author cannot make friends with the reader, and explain his objects, in two or three hundred pages, he is not likely to do so in fifty lines.  And yet the temptation of speaking a few words behind the scenes, as it were, is so strong that few writers are able to resist it.  I shall not try.
[...]
The impartial critic will at least admit that I have not insulted the British public by writing a party pamphlet on a great Imperial question.  I have recorded the facts as they occurred, and the impressions as they arose, without attempting to make a case against any person or policy.  Indeed, I fear that assailing none, I may have offended all.  Neutrality may degenerate into an ignominious isolation.  An honest and unprejudiced attempt to discern the truth is my sole defence, as the good opinion of the reader has been my chief aspiration, and can be in the end my only support.

Winston Churchill
Cavalry Barracks
Bangalore, 30th December 1897

Analysis by https://www.online-utility.org/english/readability_test_and_improve.jsp

Number of characters (without spaces):    811.00
Number of words:    180.00
Number of sentences:    10.00
Average number of characters per word:    4.51
Average number of syllables per word:    1.57
Average number of words per sentence:    18.00

Indication of the number of years of formal education that a person requires in order to easily understand the text on the first reading    
Gunning Fog index:    11.20

Approximate representation of the U.S. grade level needed to comprehend the text:    
Coleman Liau index:    9.07
Flesch Kincaid Grade level:    9.92
ARI (Automated Readability Index):    8.79
SMOG:    11.66

Flesch Reading Ease:    56.03

 List of sentences that we suggest you consider rewriting to improve readability:

    An honest and unprejudiced attempt to discern the truth is my sole defence, as the good opinion of the reader has been my chief aspiration, and can be in the end my only support.
    I have always thought that if an author cannot make friends with the reader, and explain his objects, in two or three hundred pages, he is not likely to do so in fifty lines.
    I have recorded the facts as they occurred, and the impressions as they arose, without attempting to make a case against any person or policy.
    The impartial critic will at least admit that I have not insulted the British public by writing a party pamphlet on a great Imperial question.

Title: Re: On writing style ...
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on January 24, 2020, 03:05 PM
Just for comparison, I threw Romain's "vietnamese chicken curry  (https://glebekitchen.com/vietnamese-chicken-curry-ca-ri-ga/)
Title: Re: On writing style ...
Post by: romain on January 24, 2020, 06:36 PM
Haha. Grade 4 level comprehension. Sounds about right. I was going for Grade 6 but I will take Grade 4. Maybe I'll throw in a comma or two now I know I have some leeway.
Title: Re: On writing style ...
Post by: mickyp on January 24, 2020, 11:19 PM
And yet if you read, for example, Churchill's The story of the Malakand Field Force, written when he was just 22 years of age, you will see what a brilliant and inspired writer he was.  I quote just his opening words :

He was Brilliant, he put the Bulldog into the British people and inspired them too

Quote
On general grounds I deprecate prefaces.  I have always thought that if an author cannot make friends with the reader, and explain his objects, in two or three hundred pages, he is not likely to do so in fifty lines.  And yet the temptation of speaking a few words behind the scenes, as it were, is so strong that few writers are able to resist it.  I shall not try.
[...]
The impartial critic will at least admit that I have not insulted the British public by writing a party pamphlet on a great Imperial question.  I have recorded the facts as they occurred, and the impressions as they arose, without attempting to make a case against any person or policy.  Indeed, I fear that assailing none, I may have offended all.  Neutrality may degenerate into an ignominious isolation.  An honest and unprejudiced attempt to discern the truth is my sole defence, as the good opinion of the reader has been my chief aspiration, and can be in the end my only support.

Winston Churchill
Cavalry Barracks
Bangalore, 30th December 1897

Analysis by https://www.online-utility.org/english/readability_test_and_improve.jsp

Number of characters (without spaces):    811.00
Number of words:    180.00
Number of sentences:    10.00
Average number of characters per word:    4.51
Average number of syllables per word:    1.57
Average number of words per sentence:    18.00

Indication of the number of years of formal education that a person requires in order to easily understand the text on the first reading    
Gunning Fog index:    11.20

Approximate representation of the U.S. grade level needed to comprehend the text:    
Coleman Liau index:    9.07
Flesch Kincaid Grade level:    9.92
ARI (Automated Readability Index):    8.79
SMOG:    11.66

Flesch Reading Ease:    56.03

 List of sentences that we suggest you consider rewriting to improve readability:

    An honest and unprejudiced attempt to discern the truth is my sole defence, as the good opinion of the reader has been my chief aspiration, and can be in the end my only support.
    I have always thought that if an author cannot make friends with the reader, and explain his objects, in two or three hundred pages, he is not likely to do so in fifty lines.
    I have recorded the facts as they occurred, and the impressions as they arose, without attempting to make a case against any person or policy.
    The impartial critic will at least admit that I have not insulted the British public by writing a party pamphlet on a great Imperial question.

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Title: Re: On writing style ...
Post by: Garp on January 25, 2020, 05:29 PM
And I bet you voted for Brexit, Micky, with that kind of statement.

Churchill was, to be kind, a controversial character.
Title: Re: On writing style ...
Post by: Ghoulie on January 28, 2020, 09:28 AM
Brexit aaaallll the way !! Nowt wrong with Churchill - up there with the best of them - and then you have the also ran wimps - like Major, May, Brown - clueless with no vision or backbone - happy to be subservient to a bureaucratic cesspit called the EU - which is in the gradual, inevitable process of collapse.  Hope I get to see it in my lifetime.
Title: Re: On writing style ...
Post by: mickyp on February 03, 2020, 09:52 AM
And I bet you voted for Brexit, Micky, with that kind of statement.

Churchill was, to be kind, a controversial character.

Noop, Sorry Mr Garp I voted to remain, then after all the endless faffing about i changed to lets be done with it and get out.

I now think there will be a few other countries that will follow, time will tell.