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Curry Chat => Talk About Anything Other Than Curry => Topic started by: Yousef on March 17, 2020, 03:24 PM
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Hope everyone here is doing great and nobody was infected. Some useful information to protect yourself and your loved ones:
Know How it Spreads
- There is currently no vaccine to prevent coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19).
- The best way to prevent illness is to avoid being exposed to this virus.
- The virus is thought to spread mainly from person-to-person.
- Between people who are in close contact with one another (within about 6 feet).
- Through respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs or sneezes.
- These droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs.
Take steps to protect yourself
Clean your hands often
- Wash your hands often with soap and water for at least 20 seconds especially after you have been in a public place, or after blowing your nose, coughing, or sneezing.
- If soap and water are not readily available, use a hand sanitizer that contains at least 60% alcohol. Cover all surfaces of your hands and rub them together until they feel dry.
- Avoid touching your eyes, nose, and mouth with unwashed hands.
Avoid close contact
- Avoid close contact with people who are sick
- Put distance between yourself and other people if COVID-19 is spreading in your community.
Take steps to protect others
Stay home if you
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Perhaps more willingness to help one another and not so much selfishness will be a good lesson to stand us in good stead in the future.
Unfortunately, this appears to be the exact opposite to what is actually occuring, out here anyway. Selfishness and panic buying have grown beyond the levels we could ever have imagined only last week. What began as a bit of a curiosity with toilet paper has now spread to every available commodity. Supermarket shelves, refrigerated and freezer areas have been stripped bare. There is no flour, sugar or pasta. Yesterday meat and potatoes simply disappeared.
Over the weekend people from the major cities have travelled significant distances to strip raid regional stores. Last weekend's trading figures in the supermarket chains were unprecedented. I witnessed first hand a travelled woman on hands and knees, packing every single can of generic sardines in spring water back into boxes, down to the last can, to load into her trolley. It appears that what started with bog roll has simply moved from one product to the next.
When the chips are down it appears to be every man for himself. :patient:
With a shortage of food, at least the demand for toilet rolls should decrease.
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I am told that much the same situation obtains in Bodmin, tho' I confess I haven't bothered to investigate for myself. It might be interesting to take a trip to Bookers', tho', to see whether local traders are panicking as much as local shoppers ...
** Phil.
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The thing is that the supply of goods is apparently not threatened at all. There is plenty of stock and produce but the supply chain simply can't keep up with the flow created by panic buying. I guess the doomsday preppers are all feeling a little smug at the moment.
The white-goods / appliance stores must be selling a lot of freezers as well, otherwise where is all the perishables going?
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One tip I got was to wipe down your groceries with soapy water when you get them home after a shopping trip.
I do that, except I use Dettol disinfectant. I also wash my hands after discarding the envelopes of letters and the wrapping of packages delivered. For all I know, the postman or a courier might have contracted the virus.
Unlike in Yousef's advice, I think it's wise to cover your mouth and nose with something like a scarf, if not a surgical mask, as a preventive measure, to guard against the occasional situation where a disgusting individual coughs or sneezes in close proximity without covering up.
I do hope we don't follow other countries in banning nearly all trips away from home. Where's the risk if one goes out for a walk, cycle ride or drive in the car and avoid other people?
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The white-goods / appliance stores must be selling a lot of freezers as well [...]
They are. Our local one sold 22 freezers yesterday alone.
** Phil.
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I am told that much the same situation obtains in Bodmin, tho' I confess I haven't bothered to investigate for myself. It might be interesting to take a trip to Bookers', tho', to see whether local traders are panicking as much as local shoppers ...
** Phil.
Have no fear about that Phil, they are, but i think the Pataks stuff is safe, think ahead and get your restaurant charcoal tho' summer is around the corner virus.
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Stay safe everyone. Apart from all the bad which is happening, I hope some good changes in society emerge as a result of this. Perhaps more willingness to help one another and not so much selfishness will be a good lesson to stand us in good stead in the future.
Thanks for the tip JonG, well we are truly living in unique times, unless we stay united and learn to help one another, it would be hard to pass this.
Unfortunately, this appears to be the exact opposite to what is actually occuring, out here anyway. Selfishness and panic buying have grown beyond the levels we could ever have imagined only last week. What began as a bit of a curiosity with toilet paper has now spread to every available commodity. Supermarket shelves, refrigerated and freezer areas have been stripped bare. There is no flour, sugar or pasta. Yesterday meat and potatoes simply disappeared.
I am told that much the same situation obtains in Bodmin, tho' I confess I haven't bothered to investigate for myself. It might be interesting to take a trip to Bookers', tho', to see whether local traders are panicking as much as local shoppers
I've seen this in my country as well, a lot of products simply vanished from the city once they announced a total travel ban.
I do hope we don't follow other countries in banning nearly all trips away from home. Where's the risk if one goes out for a walk, cycle ride or drive in the car and avoid other people?
Here everything is closed now, only essentials were allowed, like grocery stores, pharmacies, hospitals... But fortunately I still can go for a walk around the block.
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Cambridge research team working towards a vaccine against COVID-19 (https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/cambridge-research-team-working-towards-vaccine-against-covid-19)
And key bullet points for self-preservation from the WHO (full material here (https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public)) :
Basic protective measures against the new coronavirus
- Wash your hands frequently
- Maintain social distancing
- Avoid touching eyes, nose and mouth
- Practice respiratory hygiene
- If you have fever, cough and difficulty breathing, seek medical care early
- Stay informed and follow advice given by your healthcare provider
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Cambridge research team working towards a vaccine against COVID-19 (https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/cambridge-research-team-working-towards-vaccine-against-covid-19)
And key bullet points for self-preservation from the WHO (full material here (https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public)) :
Basic protective measures against the new coronavirus
- Wash your hands frequently
- Maintain social distancing
- Avoid touching eyes, nose and mouth
- Practice respiratory hygiene
- If you have fever, cough and difficulty breathing, seek medical care early
- Stay informed and follow advice given by your healthcare provider
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Latest news
All schools in England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales are to close from Friday*, until further notice, not to protect children who seem to be more or less immune to Covid-19 but to slow down the spread to the more vulnerable in society.
*Except for children of key workers such as health care, police, delivery drivers and children who are vulnerable or have social workers, etc.
On an aside, I have not been panic buying anything as I usually get small amounts every day or two but when I went out to get some chicken yesterday, there was none and today I visited 1 high street supermarket and 2 different asian supermarkets, all had no onions at all unless you can carry 20kg sacks (now priced at
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Latest news
All schools in England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales are to close from Friday*, until further notice, not to protect children who seem to be more or less immune to Covid-19 but to slow down the spread to the more vulnerable in society.
*Except for children of key workers such as health care, police, delivery drivers and children who are vulnerable or have social workers, etc.
On an aside, I have not been panic buying anything as I usually get small amounts every day or two but when I went out to get some chicken yesterday, there was none and today I visited 1 high street supermarket and 2 different asian supermarkets, all had no onions at all unless you can carry 20kg sacks (now priced at
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A stinking letter to the local press mentioning "profiteering" would not go amiss ...
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Kung Flu
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[W]hen I went out to get some chicken yesterday, there was none and today I visited 1 high street supermarket and 2 different asian supermarkets, all had no onions at all unless you can carry 20kg sacks (now priced at
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My Daughter went into Bookers today, they had no chicken, they were also checking card holders identity, seems account holders are lending their cards out, also there was a fight in there today and at Iceland in Horley.
We went to Waitrose to get some milk which they had loads of many shelves empty but it was very civilised, lets hope that trend spreads.
A franchise of 10 Gastro Pubs around here have closed as of today until further notice, a local Turkish Restaurant is now doing home deliveries, i feel a lot of people will go the take away route rather than eat out so any restaurants that can gear up for that will stand more of a chance,
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My Daughter went into Bookers today, they had no chicken, they were also checking card holders identity, seems account holders are lending their cards out, also there was a fight in there today and at Iceland in Horley.
We went to Waitrose to get some milk which they had loads of many shelves empty but it was very civilised, lets hope that trend spreads.
A franchise of 10 Gastro Pubs around here have closed as of today until further notice, a local Turkish Restaurant is now doing home deliveries, i feel a lot of people will go the take away route rather than eat out so any restaurants that can gear up for that will stand more of a chance,
We sound a good bit further down the road in Glasgow mickyp. The supermarket shelves were stripped of toilet roll, pasta, baby milk , cooking oil a fortnight ago and I
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These 2 quotes from the same news article found here;
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/tummy-ache-could-be-the-first-sign-of-a-coronavirus-infection/news-story/d3358520bfd4ed7efe12aa76f5e8b5b6 (https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/tummy-ache-could-be-the-first-sign-of-a-coronavirus-infection/news-story/d3358520bfd4ed7efe12aa76f5e8b5b6)
"Sir Patrick Vallance, the UK's chief scientific adviser, said: "It looks quite likely that there is some degree of asymptomatic transmission.
"There
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Did you join the cynicism queue twice, Livo ?!
Still little evidence of panic buying in Asda, but store policy now limits shoppers to at most three of any one item.
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Warnings of short supply in some essentials, pasta and rice for example, and price hikes due to increased demand are with us. Fresh produce quality, supply and pricing are still subject to basic market principles, if not more so now than ever. This is what's happening in the food supply arrangements here right now. Yesterday we had enough for triple our country's population. Today there are warnings of short supply.
These occurrences are evident here and now Phil, so it isn't cynicism. It's the current reality. If it hasn't hit your area yet, it probably will. Over last weekend, in one report, 3 bus loads of raiders with trailers in tow, left Sydney and stripped bare regional supermarkets to the west for over 200 km. I witnessed similar events here locally, 100 km north of the city by multiple individuals but without buses and trailers. I imagine it went south as well. When the city ran out, they simply traveled and took everything from stores that were already under strain. Visualize a locust plague on a human scale.
It is likely that much of this plunder is destined for the black market, both local and export. Our authorities are investigating organised criminal syndicates operating in this manner.
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If this Corona Hype has taught me anything, it's that I live in a country containing a large amount of pricks.
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If this Corona Hype has taught me anything, it's that I live in a country containing a large amount of pricks.
Yes, those Scottish thistles can be perilously spiky.
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If this Corona Hype has taught me anything, it's that I live in a country containing a large amount of pricks.
Reassure yourself that it isn't isolated to your country.
I doubt the relatives of all the dead, those presently lucky enough to be in an ICU somewhere, the health workers, the owners of crumbling businesses and those losing their jobs, et al, think it's Corona Hype.
A lot of the pointed people you refer to are walking around loudly proclaiming to not be one of those. You know the ones? They're in the shops walking around shaking their heads and saying to strangers, "Do you believe this? I'm only here to get what I need." There is now a stigma attached to anybody seen near a supermarket, even if they are just doing there usual weekly shop, (or trying to). I guess you can tell them apart by the size of the haul in the trolley and how much toilet paper they have. :confusing3:
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This thread may be digressing a bit from fact to experience but I went to my local supermarket Friday to offer my services to stack shelves (no cash handling or such), including stock rotation if required, for FREE, for a few hours every day.
The offer was appreciated but turned down as they wouldn't be covered for insurance for harm to myself or others. Fair enough.
The shelves were fairly well restocked but I think people have moved from anticipating food shortages to alcohol shortages, prior to the announcement of closure of pubs, clubs and restaurants as they were fairly well emptied and since I suppose are deemed none essential, will not be restocked anytime soon.
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Well, you could say that such a person (a "Covidiot") must have a Cov-IQ of 19 ...
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Social distancing at Bondi Beach yesterday. Well it was 34 'C.
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Social distancing at Bondi Beach yesterday. Well it was 34 'C.
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That gesture (and indeed, the whole need to touch our face, to scratch at an itch or for whatever reason) is so deeply ingrained that (IMHO) only those who practice mindfulness 100% of the time will be able to avoid so doing ...
** Phil.
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Does anyone share my concerns that Boris (and HMG, for that matter) are acting unconstitutionally ? To the best of my belief, there has been no declaration of a state of emergency, with the accompanying concomitant powers that such a declaration would entail, so is Boris in any position to tell (as he stressed yesterday, comparing and contrasting it very pointedly with "ask") British restaurants that they must close ? In the absence of any legislation, I would have thought that the most he could do is to ask them to close, explaining the (very good) reasons why they should close in the nation's interest. I also think that establishments such as B&Bs, hotels, etc. (OK, I have a vested interest here) should be able to continue to serve meals to their guests even if they are required to close their restaurants to the public ...
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An unbiased assessment (https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=Hks6Nq7g6P4) of the situation ...
And some suggestions from someone who clearly knows the solutions.
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Have a listen to this guys and girls from a front line Doctor who is clearly wearing the T shirt https://youtu.be/tQD4B_hmdvo
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Does anyone share my concerns that Boris (and HMG, for that matter) are acting unconstitutionally ?
No Phil, I
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After the Bondi Beach fiasco, Australia is now destined to comprehensive lock down.
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Sorry, Donald, I respectfully disagree. War crimes are not acceptable "just" because a country is at war. In an emergency, existing legislation allows the Government to declare a state of emergency, which then allows the Government to take the necessary and sufficient action to contain that emergency without requiring full legislative process to be followed. This Government (which only a few days ago was telling us that all we needed to was to develop "herd immunity") now seeks to enforce a complete about-face without either declaring a state of emergency or passing the necessary legislation. It is therefore very important that this be challenged in the courts, otherwise a very dangerous precedent will be set which would enable this and future governments to bypass the legislative process completely whenever it so chose.
I do not for one second suggest that (e.g.,) restaurants, bars, pubs, etc., should not close
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Which court does the virus have to answer to Phil?
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...the issue of whether the government has the necessary paperwork fully and correctly completed before taking measures in a desperate attempt to save lives and mitigate some of the disastrous effects unfolding, does not rank at all highly. Nor should it for you. Get some perspective!
I agree. Phil must be able to seek official clarification as to whether hotel restaurants are able to continue serving residents. To challenge the legality of the Prime Minister's instructions would not be helpful at all - even worse than Gina Miller's attempts to thwart Brexit. I doubt if a Police Officer would be very tolerant if one comes knocking on the hotel's door.
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I agree. Phil must be able to seek official clarification as to whether hotel restaurants are able to continue serving residents. To challenge the legality of the Prime Minister's instructions would not be helpful at all - even worse than Gina Miller's attempts to thwart Brexit. I doubt if a Police Officer would be very tolerant if one comes knocking on the hotel's door.
The police officer is there to enforce the law
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Keep the restaurant open if you feel that way Phil. You
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You are reading selectively, Donald. I wrote
"I do not for one second suggest that (e.g.,) restaurants, bars, pubs, etc., should not close
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The police officer is there to enforce the law
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No, that question remains moot. As it is my wife's hotel, it is she who is best placed to seek authoritative advice. I have already asked if she is a member of a relevant professional body, but sadly the answer would seem to be "no". It is possible (but by no means certain) that hotel kitchens will be able to operate normally (if they so wish), but the food that they serve must then be consumed in the guest's room (i.e., room service) rather than in a communal dining room.
Nothing I can find in Hansard; there were only a few mentions of the word "restaurant" in the period 17th inst.
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I now gather that you may be right to the extent that the 'advice' to close restaurants does not yet have the full force of the law. But it soon will, when a bill is passed by Parliament, as expected. In the meantime, it must make sense to follow the spirit of the advice and either keep tables at least 2 metres apart or move to serving meals only in rooms. A similar approach didn't stop people getting infected on cruise ships, though.
When I went to a supermarket yesterday, nobody seemed to be acting any different to normal. It seems unlikely anyone would leave a 2m gap in between everyone in a queue for a till, or moving around the shop. Shopping for food and other essentials must be the greatest risk any of us take at the present time, and I guess it's going to get much, much worse in terms of the risk of contracting the virus.
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Our supermarkets have now installed line and cross markers on the floor showing where individual persons are to stand in order to maintain the required minimum distance between themselves and the leading and following shopper. Bus loads of raiders continue to hit certain regional targets. Chicken is unavailable and other meats are scarce.
Public transport and schools are still shoulder to shoulder which is a bit stupid. The Bondi Beach fiasco over the weekend has generated a shut-down of sorts with confused people trying to guess if they are essential services or not. Similar to your situation Phil, Pubs, Clubs, Bars, Churches, Casinos, Restaurants etc. are all shut down as of 12.00 noon today. Restaurants can provide T/A and delivery only. No dine in.
The immediate job losses caused shoulder to shoulder queues of people trying to line up at the Government Welfare Benefit registration offices around all 4 corners of complete city blocks. Some wore masks. The Government website collapsed under the load.
14 day isolation is now required crossing State borders within our country. Lucky Tasmania. It's an island State with very little infection at this point.
Test kits have nearly run out so they are now doing random symptom based tests, as opposed to targeted risk group tests, in an attempt to predict how many community spread cases have been missed, and from there extrapolate the actual extent of infection. This figure is unknown and there are many sick people un-diagnosed, who will remain so.
The Senior Health Officials of Government have been out-voiced by practicing doctors who are advising citizens to ignore Government advice and rules / orders and go into voluntary isolation in discrete family units. They are predicting Italy like situation within 2 - 3 weeks.
Teachers and Health care workers have been thrown under the bus but others still appear to think it's all a bit unfair to be imposed upon in such an undignified manner.
The most unexpected thing is that the largest hardware chain store has all but sold out of Home Renovation materials. People are preparing to do renovations while they are in forced lock-down.
Subversive reports out of China indicate that the figures we are seeing from them are not accurate at all and the people over there are in desperate fear of the Temperature test guns. A high temperature means you are on the bus. On the bus means you are gone.
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It seems unlikely anyone would leave a 2m gap in between everyone in a queue for a till
I did, in Waitrose (Truro) earlier this afternoon. Unfortunately the woman standing behind me did not.
** Phil.
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Sometimes the treatment can be more harmful than the ailment. I fear that time is now.
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Sometimes the treatment can be more harmful than the ailment. I fear that time is now.
For an individual, yes, so (somewhat unusually) I feel some empathy with Garp's point of view. But for the good of the nation, and for the good of the NHS in particular, we are all going to have to make sacrifices
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I agree. Phil must be able to seek official clarification as to whether hotel restaurants are able to continue serving residents. To challenge the legality of the Prime Minister's instructions would not be helpful at all - even worse than Gina Miller's attempts to thwart Brexit. I doubt if a Police Officer would be very tolerant if one comes knocking on the hotel's door.
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The police officer's face, when I point out to him that there is as yet no law which he can legitimately seek to enforce ? :angel:
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The BBC say: "Hotels, hostels, campsites and caravan parks must also close unless key workers need to stay there, or if other people staying there cannot return to their primary residence." But will Phil still argue it doesn't apply to their hotel?
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I'm sure he will, until the Bill is passed in Parliament - and rightly so.
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The BBC say: "Hotels, hostels, campsites and caravan parks must also close unless key workers need to stay there, or if other people staying there cannot return to their primary residence." But will Phil still argue it doesn't apply to their hotel?
The BBC do not make the law, George, any more than does the Prime Minister. Parliament makes the laws, and honest citizens then obey them. The hotel is closed to all casual guest, while remaining open to key workers
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The BBC say: "Hotels, hostels, campsites and caravan parks must also close unless key workers need to stay there, or if other people staying there cannot return to their primary residence." But will Phil still argue it doesn't apply to their hotel?
Our PM must be reading the BBC playbook. This is very close to last nights stage 2 announcement, with the addition of sex parlors, nail clinics, massage parlors, adult entertainment theaters among other leisurely activities. Imagine if you were stuck in an adult entertainment theater and couldn't return to your primary residence.
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As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) in the UK.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#status-of-covid-19
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Thank you, VC. I am maintaining a directory of Covid-19 links (http://bodmin-chamber.co.uk/Covid-19/) for the Bodmin Chamber of Commerce, and have just added yours.
** Phil.
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A wee picture, to cheer you up during these difficult times, of the recent addition to the Garp household - Rosie the Lhasa Apso puppy.
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Very sweet, Garp
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It would appear my earlier condemnations of WHO were not too extreme. Incompetence is the word that jumps out for me. Even add extreme. Of course cover up and blame shifting are good as well. It must be somebody else's fault. Conspiracy theories are good fun and they spring up here and there. Regardless of your bent, it would seem that for the first time ever, D. Trump has nailed it. WHO blew it big time. Dropped the ball. Spilt the lollies.
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I have read DT's accusations (https://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=15414.0;attach=9093) [1] (of "favouring China", and so on), and immediately dismissed them as yet more typical Trumpesque, arrogant, America
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I'm not suggesting Trump's prolific verbal diarrhoea is anything otherwise Phil. His claim that the WHO "really blew it" is a pretty good assessment. That's all. The organisation charged with oversight of these matters stalled and procrastinated and denied there was a global health crisis until it bit them on the nose. They only had one job here. The general public around the world could see this exploding on a daily basis. Our Government closed the borders to Chinese travel against WHO recomendations, along with others, and was chastised for doing so, on global economic terms by the organisation charged with looking after health.
It turns out closing the borders when we did was a good call but it didn't go far enough soon enough. Italy, Iran, Spain, the USA and the cruise ships were already in full Covid-19 bloom. The borders should have been a total lock out with the exception of returning citizens and essential travel, all going into quarantine, as is now the case. Too late but hopefully in the nick of time for us. Others countries, including the UK, have not been as fortunate as us. We are seeing comparatively low numbers but it is too early to declare we've dodged the bullet and some of the stupid behaviour by individuals is nothing short of mind boggling.
The WHO was too slow to close the gate. The beauty of hindsight. I don't have the answers Phil and nobody knows where this is headed in either health or economic terms. I just happen to agree with Trump's simple 3 words, "really blew it".
Would a week have made any significant difference anyway? https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/coronavirus-who-refuses-to-name-doctors-who-blocked-early-health-emergency/news-story/1850b1e4178e4f4b9013797e51bce2f5 (https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/coronavirus-who-refuses-to-name-doctors-who-blocked-early-health-emergency/news-story/1850b1e4178e4f4b9013797e51bce2f5)
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Each of us will have his/her/its own view as to whether WHO could have done anything more, so let us agree to disagree on that one. What I find slightly reassuring is that the percentage increase of Covid-19 cases is diminishing in the UK. Here are the daily increases for the month of April so far :
- 17.19%
- 14.40%
- 13.20%
- 09.78%
- 14.08%
- 07.95%
- 07.04%
- 09.94%
The highest figure for this month (17.19%) is comparable with the mean daily increase (17.68%) since the commencement of the outbreak, but in real terms that means that we are seeing over 5000 new cases per day and that figure shews no real signs of abating. Below are the per-day increase in the UK for the month of April :
- 4,324
- 4,244
- 4,450
- 3,735
- 5,914
- 3,802
- 3,634
- 5,491
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Social distancing. Similar restrained growth is evident in most places where society has adopted it. Even better figures are coming from countries with enforced action. The good thing with those figures is the trend away from clear exponential growth where the percentage that's important is the compounded percentage of the previous day's growth rather than the reported total cases.
We are seeing similar 'hopeful' trends here but early days. While my own state is hoping for early relaxation of strict control, Victoria is still entertaining level 4 restrictions. Close to home yesterday saw a local 'outbreak' at our regional hospital, with 2 patients, 6 staff and 4 close contacts all testing positive. How far this spreads is unknown. While ever there is one person infectious and many without immunity, it is not over.
I was speaking with my mate K yesterday who returned from India just after Christmas. He said quite simply if it gets going over there it will be uncontrolled.
On the previous Phil, I think Tedros stating that WHO is made up of people who make mistakes is an admission of sorts that mistakes were made. Within the organisation there were people who thought action was required and they were out-voted. It is of little importance now.
It was interesting to read last night that the 'intelligence' agencies detected unusual 'red flags' over parts of Wuhan as early as mid November 2019, but there were difficulties in getting the message out. Apparently there were noticeable changes in civil activity in parts of the city, whatever that means in China.
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On the previous Phil, I think Tedros stating that WHO is made up of people who make mistakes is an admission of sorts that mistakes were made. Within the organisation there were people who thought action was required and they were out-voted. It is of little importance now.
That is certainly one way of interpreting it. However, if someone were to claim that "XXX is made up of people who never make mistakes", what credence would you ascribe to that claim ?
It was interesting to read last night that the 'intelligence' agencies detected unusual 'red flags' over parts of Wuhan as early as mid November 2019, but there were difficulties in getting the message out. Apparently there were noticeable changes in civil activity in parts of the city, whatever that means in China
If you can point me to the source, I can raise it on a forum where more will be known.
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When you put any old driver behind a wheel, there is human error. When you put any old pilot in a cockpit, there is human error. When you put a captain inside a boat, wearing a hat, there is human error. Usually the failure of a human in these scenarios results in death or disturbance on a relatively small scale. Accidents happen. Earthquakes, floods, tornadoes and other natural disasters etc are a bit trickier to assign blame. Sometimes there is no blame.
As a traveller to sea in a small boat I have taken the risk, with my own young son. In my own mind I had excluded the risk and always returned safely to shore, much to his mother's relief. On occasion it could have been different.
When people are elevated to positions of global imperative, human error is not an acceptable excuse. It is their job to circumvent human error.
If the XXX was not up to the job, what is the point of them being there? What use is a bucket with no bottom when the boat is taking water?
I'll point you to the news article in the morning Phil.
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This article perhaps?
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/coronavirus-leaked-intelligence-report-shows-us-was-warned-about-covid19-in-november/news-story/f46254a64f98f393d9935585611fa77b
It sounds like a highly dubious tale to me. No doubt briefed to a friendly US news outlet by the American spooks, perhaps on the defensive as they
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OK, let's just take this extract from the article :
Alert bulletins were circulated through confidential channels around Thanksgiving (November 26). From then through December, briefings were given to all levels of the US federal government and intelligence agencies.
(https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/b8c53cb515269eaf434a47dbbf19be6d)
Wuhan quickly became the epicentre of the outbreak. Picture: STR / AFP Source:AFP
The text and the caption are intended to suggest that the photograph was taken in Wuhan in November 2019, yet a Google search reveals no copy of that image older than three days ...
P.S. Sometimes there is surprising good news (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/10/mafia-distributes-food-to-italys-struggling-residents) amongst the bad and the awful ...
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That is the piece I read and I read it as the point being that it was known there was a rising problem earlier than was previously told. It suggests that the upward information path broke down. I don't see anything beyond credibility. These events may well have been happening within that timeframe.
The original Washington Post article is pretty clear on who knew what and when, and it would seem quite plausible that middle to late November is realistic.
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When people are elevated to positions of global imperative, human error is not an acceptable excuse. It is their job to circumvent human error.
But "they" are humans, Livo, just like you and I, and no more capable of "circumvent[ing] human error" than you or I (G
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Following the release of some very useful guidance (https://www.college.police.uk/What-we-do/COVID-19/Documents/What-constitutes-a-reasonable-excuse.pdf) [1] from the National Police Chiefs' Council on "what constitutes a reasonable excuse to leave the place where you live" , and in the light of some extremely disturbing reports (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/26/uk-police-use-drones-and-roadblocks-to-enforce-lockdown) of very heavy-handed police action in seeking to limit the right of individuals to move about during the current lock-down ("right to move about" meaning, of course, "move about within the legal constraints currently in place"), I have sought out the relevant legislation (https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/350/made) and created a link to it from my local Chamber of Commerce web site. I would strongly recommend that any CR0 member who feels the need to leave his or her home, for whatever reason, read the legislation very carefully and ensure firstly that they (a) comply with it, and then (b) keep a copy in their car, and (c) carry a copy with them whenever they leave their home. If stopped and challenged, be polite but be firm
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It is all very fuzzy at the moment. I guess there is a lot of pure acceptance taking place right now and people are predominately happy to oblige because the unknown alternative is not very encouraging. We'd like to trust our elected leaders but they are in uncharted waters. We've had a guy fined for eating a kebab in a park. Four men dragged from a car and arrested by 10 police for eating pizza. Pizza, not curry. Nobody has yet been arrested for eating curry.
Something used to be called the great leveller. I can't remember what it was but I know it wasn't money.
Mind you pure acceptance is not always a good thing. Wuhan virus labs for example. WHO endorses wet markets re-opening. Chinese invasion of South China Sea. No virus in North Korea.
I'll send account details by PM for donations to the newly formed Xi Jinping benevolent society. All proceeds to go towards tandoori chicken research. :patient:
Hhhmmmm??? Yeah right!!!!
I have a really nice bridge for sale. With a coat of paint it will be ready for NYE fireworks display over one of the nicest harbours in the world. POA or expressions of interest for short term lease.
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Not been at the controlled substances again, have we Livo ?
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Not been at the controlled substances again, have you Livo ?
Controlled substances at the moment are toilet paper, pasta and rice. Home made hand sanitiser is readily available and made correctly, perfectly drinkable.
No Phil. Just saying it how I'm seeing it. A couple of sherbets is normal. I haven't been really on substance since a bad experience with funny mushrooms in the 1970's. They certainly weren't controlled back then either.
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Following the release of some very useful guidance (https://www.college.police.uk/What-we-do/COVID-19/Documents/What-constitutes-a-reasonable-excuse.pdf) [1] from the National Police Chiefs' Council on "what constitutes a reasonable excuse to leave the place where you live" , and in the light of some extremely disturbing reports of very heavy-handed police action in seeking to limit the right of individuals to move about during the current lock-down ("right to move about" meaning, of course, "move about within the legal constraints currently in place"), I have sought out the relevant legislation (https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/350/made) and created a link to it from my local Chamber of Commerce web site. I would strongly recommend that any CR0 member who feels the need to leave his or her home, for whatever reason, read the legislation very carefully and ensure firstly that they (a) comply with it, and then (b) keep a copy in their car, and (c) carry a copy with them whenever they leave their home. If stopped and challenged, be polite but be firm
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We've had a guy fined for eating a kebab in a park. Four men dragged from a car and arrested by 10 police for eating pizza.
Normal Friday night in the UK Livo.
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So kebabs and pizza are considered anti-social over there as well? Fair enough too.
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Moses, Allah, Winston, Boris (Donald? Um, maybe not!) Jethro Bodine had plumb gone thru the 6th grade education in the USA and was real good at sypherin'. Even smoked crawdads. Donald must have skipped a couple of grades.
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Been at the waccy baccy again, Livo ? It really is time you gave it up. But here's a video of your super-hero (https://twitter.com/hellodavsk/status/1252486447413841923) (admittedly in drag) at his very best.
** Phil.
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And for those north of the border (Garp, Stephen, ...) here's a little light-hearted relief especially for you ...
- https://twitter.com/i/status/1255135562027036673
- https://twitter.com/i/status/1253323385846693895
** Phil.
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Yesterday was declared donut day out here. That didn't have anything to with Krispy Cremes but was in reference to the first day of zero community transmission cases. We are still exposing a handful of daily positive tests in returned O/S travellers in hotel quarantine. The claim of zero is a bit tainted as authorities were aware of 1 child who has tested positive but the result of the test was not received until after the cutoff for yesterday's tally.
This result, even counting the 1, is a massive achievement, particularly from the citizens of Melbourne specifically and Victorians in general. 16 weeks is a long time in hard lockdown, but it has resulted in reducing 700 daily cases to zero and basically saved all of Australia from this virus. We are by no means 100% safe.
It comes on the same day that Boris has announced restrictions. I wish all those in the UK, as you are about to go into lockdown, good luck.
It is interesting that children and young people, who were at first claimed to be mainly unaffected, are now the most affected age bracket. Most of our recent community infections are occuring in schools and activities of young people.
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Yesterday was declared donut day out here[, ...] in reference to the first day of zero community transmission cases.
Ah, so Australian doughnuts are ring doughnuts
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There was resistance to the Melbourne lockdown. The Premier is both unpopular and a hero, with law enforcement and military presence. A very strange situation in a free democracy really, but it worked is the thing to take from it. We still have State border closures and travel restrictions. None of this really affects me but it does others. Industry and business is either dead, dying or booming. The whole thing is a two-edged sword.
Donuts and doughnuts. We have many and both spellings. Deep fried rings smothered in cinnamon sugar or iced with thick icing and a variety of sprinkles. We have jam filled as you've shown and also long ones, the shape of a finger bun split and filled with jam and fresh cream. And of course, Krispy Cremes.
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It comes on the same day that Boris has announced restrictions. I wish all those in the UK, as you are about to go into lockdown, good luck.
That would be all in England.
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Thanks for the clarification Garp. I wasn't familiar with the extent and reach of the announcement.