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Curry Chat => Lets Talk Curry => Topic started by: joe2 on March 29, 2005, 06:15 PM
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This topic has come up on another part of the forum.
Seriously folks, this is a very important issue. I think we should all look into it and see if its ok.
About 2 years ago, I read an article on this subject on the net, and it was frightening.
All I will say is that the doctor blamed this action for many of the woes of the western world.? This of course was only his opinion.? But if we are to be making curry a lot and for years to come, I think it would be worth clarifying.
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Seriously folks, this is a very important issue. I think we should all look into it and see if its ok.
That's the least of your problems. See my post about ponceau, tartrazine etc.......or just avoid anything with tandoori or tikka meat or sauces, and rogan josh, and possibly bhuna!
I think it would be worth clarifying.
That's got to be a pun!
ghee = clarified butter, and your post is about the reuse of oil.........laugh? ? ;D
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This topic has come up on another part of the forum.
Seriously folks, this is a very important issue. I think we should all look into it and see if its ok.
About 2 years ago, I read an article on this subject on the net, and it was frightening.
All I will say is that the doctor blamed this action for many of the woes of the western world.? This of course was only his opinion.? But if we are to be making curry a lot and for years to come, I think it would be worth clarifying.
Here's something I found:-
Alice,
I am trying to convince my good friend not to save the grease she cooks with for re-use. Instead of draining grease out of a pan after frying it, she saves and stores it to use again. It seems to me that grease that is cooked once is bad enough, twice must be horrible. Am I unjustly picking on her, or am I right that there is an even greater health risk when you cook with pre-cooked oil/grease?
Dear Reader,
Reusing cooking oil has been done for ages. There really isn't a problem, if done properly. The greatest hazard is allowing the fat to become rancid (spoiled) and deteriorated to the point it produces undesirable flavors and odors. Besides ruining what would have been a perfectly good meal, rancid oils also contain free radicals that are potentially carcinogenic.
To understand how to best re-use oil, it is important to know about smoke points ? the temperatures at which oil begins to decompose. If you heat oil to a temperature that is too high, it produces smoke fumes. Acreolin, a substance that makes your eyes burn, is given off as well.
The optimal temperature to fry foods at is 190?C (375?F). At higher temperatures, the food will burn on the outside, and at lower temperatures, the food absorbs too much oil and tastes greasy. Different oils have different smoke points. Oils with higher smoke points are better for frying. The following is a list of smoke points:
Type of Oil Smoke Point Temperature
safflower oil 265?C
sunflower oil 246?C
soybean oil 241?C
canola oil 238?C
corn oil 236?C
peanut oil 231?C
sesame oil 215?C
olive oil 190?C
lard 183 - 201?C*
(*varies depending on the diet fed to hogs and the part of animal fat that is derived)
Each time the oil is re-used, the smoke point becomes lowered. This is due to:
foreign matter in the oil (such as batter)
salt
the temperature to which the oil was heated
exposure to oxygen and light
length of time the oil remained heated
the number of times the oil was reused
Combining different types of oils also lowers the smoke point.
When oil becomes deteriorated, it appears dark and thick (viscous). It may have an off odor, and smoke appears before it reaches 190?C. If the oil smells funky and old, better to toss it away and replace it with fresh oil.
Each time the oil is re-used, the smoke point becomes lowered
This would explain why I find it harder to brown garlic using the curry gravy oil.
The garlic tends to lie there looking defiantly raw.
I've been doing a lot of cooking experiments lately and? having read Curry King's latest demonstraion post, it set me thinking.
His demo was almost identical to one I had.
I was shown curry gravy and chicken vindaloo at home.
His curry gravy recipe was nearly the same as three other curry gravy recipes I have been given or seen.
I really think we are as close as we will ever get to the flavour.
There is some reason why it is different when you cook at home.
I am (begrudgingly) happy and not searching for a missing ingredient anymore.
I will enjoy what we have instead.
Personally I still think it's a temperature thing.
The recipes we have are correct.
And more recipes , from any restaurant, will always be welcome
If you managed to cook them on a commercial high pressure gas cooker then they would be identical.
So if you still want to chase the flavour I think the only domestic possibilities lie with your microwave.
That gets really hot.
Have you noticed a microwaved reheated curry really takes on extra flavour?
I think that avenue of thought might have possibilities.
What about trying to make the curry gravy in the microwave from start to finish?
Apart from anything else, I don't want to believe, that I have been lied to.
The chefs that have helped me have all seemed really good people.
They have given up their free time to help someone, that they didn't have to.
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hi ,Pete
may be you can try a Copper saucepan.Copper is a very good heat conductor, the French use copper utensils a lot in their cooking.
thanks
ghanna
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hi, Pete
i noticed that when i reheat the curry in the microwave it take a specail kind of flavor.
when i buy any ready made curry from the supermarkets (Tesco, Sainsbury, Waitrose or Marks &spencer ) they alaways ask you to reheat it in the microwave or the oven ,it is never done on the cooker .i can taste that special taste in these curries.
thanks
ghanna
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Pete, are you sure its just temperature, I'm sure my gas hob can get up to the heat level of the kitchens i have been in?
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I have been told by various people that the commercial cookers are capable of far more heat.
I'll have to talk to someone who uses one, or a manufacturer.
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If you managed to cook them on a commercial high pressure gas cooker then they would be identical.
So if you still want to chase the flavour I think the only domestic possibilities lie with your microwave.
That gets really hot.
I'm not convinced about that Pete, though I haven't tried to emulate a high heat. It would be easy enough to do though. Use the heaviest and largest pan you have so that it retains maximum heat and only cook half a normal portion of curry to minimise its cooling effect to the pan. The base sauce should of course already be hot (boiling) when you add it.
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I was expecing some kind of feedback about the health risks of using re-heated oil or fat, but this post seems to have changed to a discussion about TASTE again. hmmmm....
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Indeed, have a look at the uk indian food newsgroup, so much as mention restaurant curry and you will get flamed to pieces, plus the fact that theres barely a post a week on there at the most.
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>>I suggest you should be grateful for small mercies! On some forums it's difficult to get as much as a single response, let alone what you might call a dialogue going, on anything anyone says, especially if you are not part of the inner sanctum of forum members.>>
Absolutely, it looks like this forum may go the same way as 99% of internet forums.? An inner sanctum of a few chatting and answering each others posts, and if any 'outsider' expresses an opinion, its like - "Who the hell are you?" or easier still - ignore them.
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To Joe2,
Not to knock the points that have been made about the ills of re-using oil, I think it may be that many of us do not know much about this side of things and others of us have been searching for "the answer" to "the taste" for so long that we want to know even if the answer is in re-heated oil which we probably accept is not very healthy, and so will not comment on the points made for fear of preventing someone from revealing the answer,
Cheers Joe2,
Blondie
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>>I suggest you should be grateful for small mercies! On some forums it's difficult to get as much as a single response, let alone what you might call a dialogue going, on anything anyone says, especially if you are not part of the inner sanctum of forum members.>>
Absolutely, it looks like this forum may go the same way as 99% of internet forums.? An inner sanctum of a few chatting and answering each others posts, and if any 'outsider' expresses an opinion, its like - "Who the hell are you?" or easier still - ignore them.
No way mate, any comments welcome and this forum hs recently really kicked off thanks to a load of new members posting, always happy to talk curry to old and new irregulars alike ;D
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Found this picture on the web, looks like the elusive Curry Gravy we are searching for...mmmmMMMMmmmm :'( :'( :'(
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That looks like ordinary butter in the tub at the bottom of the pic. I wonder what that is being used for?
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That looks like ordinary butter in the tub at the bottom of the pic. I wonder what that is being used for?
Butter's expensive.? Maybe margarine?? Could the milk solids burn a little and give a certain flavor. ???
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hi yellowfingers
they but the butter in chicken tikka masala, it is a Major ingredient of a gravy called MAKHANI gravy
(consist of onion ,garlic,ginger, spices ,tomatoes,cream,chillies,fenugreek leaves and butter added at the end )
thanks
ghanna