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Title: Curry pan sauce:
Post by: Mikka1 on December 08, 2009, 05:18 PM
I think this is my first recipe here for a very long time. I loved it and swapped out some meat from another dinner in the fridge. I like adaptability and to be honest some spice mixes are very plain after everything else gets in there. :P

The Goal:
To make it simple, quick and easy.
The Method:
Same as BIR except we are not using a spice mix that's NOT stood around for weeks on end.

1 TSP Chilly pwdr (Or to taste).
1/4 TSP AllSpice.
1 TSP Ground Cumin.
1 TSP Ground Coriander.
1/4 TSP Ground Green Cardamom.
1 TSP Paprika. (I used normal variety).
1 TBS Ground Fenugreek leaves (Dry).
1/2 TSP Kocher Salt.
1/2 TSP Suger (White)
1 TSP Turmeric Pwdr
1 TSP Tamarind concentrate
Dash of hot sauce.
2 TBS FINELY chopped green pepper.
1 Desert spoon Garlic paste.
2 TSP tomatoe paste NO WATER ADDED!
1/4 TSP Ginger paste.
350 mls or to taste and texture base sauce. (I used Bruces).
4 to 6 TBS oil (Any).

Method. (Usual).

Combine everything except: (Sort of).
Hot sauce.
Tamarind concentrate.
Tomatoe paste.

1. Heat oil in pan and wait for it to seperate as it heats.
2. Add Ginger and Garlic pastes, cook until just going light brown.
NOTE: I didn't use high heat.
*** KEEP MIXING the pan, never let it sit idle.
3. Add chopped Green pepper and mix well. (Nice smell huh?).
4. Add tom paste. Then add 2 TBS Spice mix..... Here you must be thorough and quick!
5. Add one ladel of base sauce and raise heat until bubbling fruriously.
Add another two ladels of base sauce then add:
Hot sauce.
Tamarind concentrate.
Tomatoe paste.
Here you can relax a little but just keep stirring the sauce.

From here on in its about making it the consistency that you require. You can add a little water if required it won't make a difference, just not too much.
Total cook time without meats is around 15 minutes and is as easy as it gets.
In all honesty I wouldn't change this except that I missed a 1/4 TSP of cinamon.

Costs you a bot of time and 750 mls of base depending on you. Have a go and let me know what you think.

Cheers MikkChip.  ::)
Title: Re: Curry pan sauce:
Post by: joshallen2k on December 09, 2009, 12:57 AM
Mikka - what is this? A base or a curry?

Not sure what a pan sauce is in BIR cooking.
Title: Re: Curry pan sauce:
Post by: Mikka1 on December 09, 2009, 11:08 AM
The beauty of it is it can be anything you want it to be.
I've hit Brick walls many times when talking about Indian Cooking but mostly ironically with those who look for the BIR grail.

What is it?
::)
It's base sauce added to a spice mix, that's it, nothing else, no secrets, no mis-intentions.
The best way to find out what it is, is to make it and find out.  ;)

Bruces Spice mix is.... well Dull. Most are in fact. someone will cotton on to what I've done here some way down the line and then perhaps say something like? "My Brothers mate, who knows an indian who has a Daughter whose Dad runs a BIR gave me a secret recipe the other night!!" And everyone will say WOOOOOW

I may start a blog on this frankly because that whole BIR Gospel thing is driving me nuts  ;D
Soz.

Mikka - what is this? A base or a curry?
Not sure what a pan sauce is in BIR cooking.
Title: Re: Curry pan sauce:
Post by: Cory Ander on December 09, 2009, 11:50 AM
The beauty of it is it can be anything you want it to be.

Sorry Mikka, that's as clear as mud (to me, anyway)  :-\

What IS a "curry pan sauce"?

What is it for? 

What do you mean "it can be anything you want"?

What "brick wall" have you hit?

What is a "base sauce added to a spice mix"?

Where and how do you use it? 

What IS the (YOUR) intention?

Why will people (generations from now) say "WOOOOW"?????

Is it a curry sauce/gravy/base? 

Or is it a supplementary recipe (where you've posted it) that you add to something else (besides meat)? 

What is it a "simple, quick and easy" thing for?

What's it got to do with spice mixes being "very plain"?

Why do you say it's "the same as a BIR" but that the "spice mix" has been "stood around for weeks on end"?

What's "kocher salt"?

What's "normal variety" of paprika?

What's "hot sauce"?

What do you mean "method (usual)"?

What do you mean "combine everything except (sort of)"?

What do you mean "heat the oil" until "it separate"s?

Besides all that, what is it for and how do you use it?  :-\

I think you owe it to yourself (and us!) to be less obtuse, and more specific, about these things if you expect people to try it!  (but I could be wrong!....... ::))
Title: Re: Curry pan sauce:
Post by: Mikka1 on December 09, 2009, 11:56 AM
Oh my word you are a truly difficult lot.  ;D
1st. Try not to label it yeah....  ;)
Early here so I'll post something to try and make sense of it for folks later.

It's a Madras. It uses a base sauce and the spice mix can be done there and then. That's it really.

CA I'll answer everything as per line later.  ;D
In fact I wanted to produce a graph to explain the theory behind this so it can be understood. I may in fact do just that. :-\

Title: Re: Curry pan sauce:
Post by: Cory Ander on December 09, 2009, 11:59 AM
In fact I wanted to produce a graph to explain the theory behind this so it can be understood. I may in fact do just that. :-\

No Mikka...stating that "it's a madras" is a huge leap in the right direction (though, still miles short, in my opinion)!  ;)

So, in which case, should probably be posted elsewhere?
Title: Re: Curry pan sauce:
Post by: Mikka1 on December 09, 2009, 12:02 PM
You are going to move this aren't you  ::)
Yeah well its not classical BIR (Coughs loudly)  ;D

Didn't know where to post it?
Perhaps a category for (cough) Non classical BIR (cough) cooking?  ;D


No Mikka...stating that "it's a madras" is a huge leap in the right direction!  ;)

So, in which case, should probably be posted elsewhere?
Title: Re: Curry pan sauce:
Post by: Cory Ander on December 09, 2009, 12:05 PM
Thanks

Done!  :P

We can move it again, to somewhere more appropriate, if (after you clarifications), it seems that it belongs elsewhere..... :)
Title: Re: Curry pan sauce:
Post by: Mikka1 on December 09, 2009, 12:22 PM
Why do I feel like I'm riding the orient express?  ;D
Ok I'll do my best. I'm a horror in the kitchen, I get all narky until I find what I'm looking for. This was about the spice mix but more on that later if I can get a flow chart or something viewable to make sense of it.

You'll understand when you see it.  ;D
Well I hope so anyway?  ::)

Thanks
Done!  :P
We can move it again, to somewhere more appropriate, if (after you clarifications), it seems that it belongs elsewhere..... :)
Title: Re: Curry pan sauce:
Post by: Mikka1 on December 09, 2009, 06:05 PM
Spice ingredient chart for comparisons and changes.
There are 3 teaspoons in a tablespoon so this took some time to work out. Since that is the case I just went for measures in 1/4 teaspoons.

I used 2 TBS from the following spice DRY mix to create the madras curry sauce.....

()()() = 1/4 teaspoon.
()()() ()()() ()()() = 1 Tablespoon

IngredientQ.
Chilli Powder()()()()()()()()()
Ground AllSpice()()()
Cumin Powder()()()()()()()()()
Corriander Powder()()()()()()()()()
Green Cardamom powder()()()
Shaan Paprika()()()()()()()()()
Kocher Salt (Jewish)()()()()()()
Sugar()()()()()()
Powdered Fenugreek leaves()()()()()()()()()
Turmeric powder()()()()()()()()()
Asian Tamarind concentrate()()()()()()()()()
Hot Sauce (Your variety)()()()
Puread Green Pepper()()()()()()
Minced Garlic()()()()()()()()()()()()
Tomato paste()()()()()()
Minced Ginger()()()
Base Sauce (I used Bruces)750
Spice Oil()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()
   

There might be some errors in here though I don't think so? Anyway the idea is to see what you are adding and make sense of it. Anything can be adjusted to taste and since we are all different some might like more of this and less of that.

What started me off on this was reading was CA said regarding what HE liked in his Indian food. It can be a measure of many things. Of course there are a lot of additions not represented here, but most are....

For instance. Increase the Tamarind/Green pepper, add some coconut milk and reduce the heat and you have a decent Asian Curry. All things being what they are of course....

I'll change this in terms of placement some time according to heat and hit factor as regards how strong the spice is? Anyway does this now make more sense? I got a really good powder-less and tangy rich sauce. Honestly it was and is good even on the 3rd attempt, fourth later.

Hope this clears things up and please point out mistakes.
Thanks.
MikkChip  ;D
Title: Re: Curry pan sauce:
Post by: Secret Santa on December 09, 2009, 06:50 PM
I don't think I've understood more than about 10% of what you have posted (since you first started posting!).

You really need to focus on what it is you're trying to say and then put it into intelligible English.

Apart from that, keep up the good work.   ::)   ;D
Title: Re: Curry pan sauce:
Post by: JerryM on December 09, 2009, 06:52 PM
Mikka,

this is quite revolutionary i think.

i won't complain that it's not traditional but possibly more BIR than it 1st appears.

this for me is making a BIR dish but using individual spice instead of a spice mix. the BIR spice mix and the spice tray is still something i feel i don't know enough about (i still have malik's pic on my kitchen wall which i ponder often - "what in those pots").

i will certainly give it a go as soon as i have base.
Title: Re: Curry pan sauce:
Post by: Mikka1 on December 09, 2009, 06:56 PM
SEE SANTA! ;D
Someone knows what track I'm on. Heck you only gotta try it! Geesh...  ::) ;D
When I get time I will fathom out the ACTUAL quantities in most spice mixes when THEY HIT THE PAN.

At that moment I think you will see the light.  ;)

Thanks Jerry. Yes its about Spice. How rich could we be if for every time we read "not the same. something missing, secrets and so on, we got a dollar. (Well Another currency then  ::) ).

It's adaptable, aimed at those who want to learn and its in graph form.
What more can I say.  ;D
 
Mikka,

this is quite revolutionary i think.

i won't complain that it's not traditional but possibly more BIR than it 1st appears.

this for me is making a BIR dish but using individual spice instead of a spice mix. the BIR spice mix and the spice tray is still something i feel i don't know enough about (i still have malik's pic on my kitchen wall which i ponder often - "what in those pots").

i will certainly give it a go as soon as i have base.
Title: Re: Curry pan sauce:
Post by: joshallen2k on December 09, 2009, 08:31 PM
Quote
this is quite revolutionary i think.

I'm speechless.

WTF is it?
Title: Re: Curry pan sauce:
Post by: currymonster on December 09, 2009, 09:55 PM
Mikka,

What exactly are we supposed to be learning here? That we all have different tastes? That I prefer more chilli powder than someone else? I already know those things.
Title: Re: Curry pan sauce:
Post by: Mikka1 on December 09, 2009, 11:36 PM
I'd love to meet some of you people in a cook-off. Something over here they love and its a lot of fun. ;D

Q. What does a clove do when crushed and added to fish and baked in an oven?
Q. What point is it that a single green cardamom will ruin your dish (Time)?
Q. How many garam Masala's are then anyway?
Q. Do you cook with your ears and eyes open?

I've seen many good Chef's ridiculed by the BIR thing but we still go back for more food from them.

Understand your meat, understand your spices and what they do.
Do you?

Best answer I could give, sorry.


Title: Re: Curry pan sauce:
Post by: joshallen2k on December 09, 2009, 11:54 PM
Mikka,

Q. If a clove falls into a curry and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

These are exactly the type of questions that are preventing me from perfecting BIR cooking.
 ::)
Title: Re: Curry pan sauce:
Post by: Mikka1 on December 10, 2009, 12:12 AM
And exactly why you will never perfect it

Sorry I forget everyone is on FACEBOOK and it requires only one sentence to gain attention.
Your loss, not mine.  ;D

These are exactly the type of questions that are preventing me from perfecting BIR cooking.
 ::)
Title: Re: Curry pan sauce:
Post by: Cory Ander on December 10, 2009, 12:23 AM
So it's a madras spice mix, which you then use to make a madras paste, which you then use to make a madras sauce/gravy is it Mikka?

Quote from: Mikka
There are 3 teaspoons in a tablespoon so this took some time to work out. Since that is the case I just went for measures in 1/4 teaspoons.

I used 2 TBS from the following spice DRY mix to create the madras curry sauce.....

()()() = 1/4 teaspoon.
()()() ()()() ()()() = 1 Tablespoon

This makes no sense to me (amongst most other things!).  if ()()() = 0.25 tsp, doesn't ()()() ()()() ()()() = 0.75 tsp?  :-\

Mikka, I don't think it's about BIR versus traditional Indian cooking, or a reluctance to listen to other views, I think it's more to do with simply understanding what is it you're trying to say (at least that's what it is in my case).

I've got a headache!  :-X
Title: Re: Curry pan sauce:
Post by: currymonster on December 10, 2009, 05:38 AM

Mikka, I don't think it's about BIR versus traditional Indian cooking, or a reluctance to listen to other views, I think it's more to do with simply understanding what is it you're trying to say (at least that's what it is in my case).

I've got a headache!  :-X

Exactly
Title: Re: Curry pan sauce:
Post by: JerryM on December 10, 2009, 07:18 AM
this (for me anyhow) is all about spice, spice mix and how spices change to make each dish.

i'm currently solely on recipe refinement. when i watch the BIR chef in action he dips his spoon in quite a few tubs (too quick for the eye) - more than just a spice mix (and not salt or chilli which are obvious). link to the malik pic that was done some time ago (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=3009.msg26649#msg26649 (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=3009.msg26649#msg26649)).

my interest is in confirming:
1 Coconut powder             
2 Sugar                     
3 Ground corriander                         
4 Chilli powder             
5 Curry powder               
6 Cumin                     
7 Methi                         
8 Salt                       
9                           
10                   
11 Onions
12 Garlic
13 Ginger
14 looked like a Tub of Pataks Powder (turmeric?) - he used it to make the base
15
16
17
18 Watery Base ;-)
19 Whole Onions (tomorrow's base maybe)
20


i'm hoping it will allow me to experiment a bit - i guess it's just not for everyone.

for example which container is mix powder
Title: Re: Curry pan sauce:
Post by: Cory Ander on December 10, 2009, 09:40 AM
this (for me anyhow) is all about spice, spice mix and how spices change to make each dish.

Is this what you also see your thread to be about Mikka?

I'm not sure Mikka is relating it to tubs of spices and ingredients in a Malik restaurant video Jerry?  Or is he?  :-\
Title: Re: Curry pan sauce:
Post by: chriswg on December 10, 2009, 02:21 PM
I 'think' what Mikka is trying to get at is that we shouldn't have one spice mix for all curries, rather the spice mix should be dynamic depending on the type of curry being produced. In his (poor) example he shows us a graph of the spices he believes should be in a Madras spice mix. Ideally () should be 0.25 tsp, ()()() 0.75 tsp, ()()()() 1 tsp and ()()()() ()()()() ()()()() 1 tbsp. I guess its a simple way for people (who don't understand basic fractions or measurements) to get the right quantities.

It is an interesting idea but won't lead us any closer to BIR utopia. In my experience the BIR chef will add varying proportions of turmeric, paprika, cumin, coriander and chilli powder depending on the curry being produced. For someone cooking a special curry at home it might be worth trying to work out the best balance of the 16 ingredients for an individual curry. I personally won't be investing any time in it.

who knows an indian who has a Daughter whose Dad runs a BIR

lol - so has this girl got 2 dads or is it the same bloke?
Title: Re: Curry pan sauce:
Post by: Unclebuck on December 10, 2009, 05:22 PM


Mikka, I don't think it's about BIR versus traditional Indian cooking, or a reluctance to listen to other views, I think it's more to do with simply understanding what is it you're trying to say (at least that's what it is in my case).

I've got a headache!  :-X
me too

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Title: Re: Curry pan sauce:
Post by: JerryM on December 10, 2009, 07:13 PM
In my experience the BIR chef will add varying proportions of turmeric, paprika, cumin, coriander and chilli powder depending on the curry being produced.

this for me is something we (or certainly i) don't really understand enough.

i know my local TA use mix powder.

does anyone know if those listed by chriswg are the variables and are they variables when a mix powder is used.

i intend to use Mikka's spice list/proportions in a spreadsheet and play around with them using say 1 recipe as a control. i don't see it as a quick exercise.

in short what i'm getting at is how do BIR's change the taste of the various dishes given the non spice ingredients don't make the full difference.

this is what i thought Mikka was getting at.
Title: Re: Curry pan sauce:
Post by: Mikka1 on December 10, 2009, 08:01 PM
Ok..........
I think apologies are needed as regards what I first posted. I did this just way too early and it was an attempt at making things clear as regards spice cooking times and quantities.

What I intend to do, (Which will take some time).
Is provide an index where folks can look visually at what they are adding and why?

Heat is one thing, variety of smells and tastes is a million miles from that. Let's also not forget that India is 4000 + years old and has traditions. THEY are the Spice masters, not England and the BIR.

Thanks Chriswg, for the reply.


I 'think' what Mikka is trying to get at is that we shouldn't have one spice mix for all curries, rather the spice mix should be dynamic depending on the type of curry being produced. In his (poor) example he shows us a graph of the spices he believes should be in a Madras spice mix. Ideally () should be 0.25 tsp, ()()() 0.75 tsp, ()()()() 1 tsp and ()()()() ()()()() ()()()() 1 tbsp. I guess its a simple way for people (who don't understand basic fractions or measurements) to get the right quantities.

It is an interesting idea but won't lead us any closer to BIR utopia. In my experience the BIR chef will add varying proportions of turmeric, paprika, cumin, coriander and chilli powder depending on the curry being produced. For someone cooking a special curry at home it might be worth trying to work out the best balance of the 16 ingredients for an individual curry. I personally won't be investing any time in it.

who knows an indian who has a Daughter whose Dad runs a BIR

lol - so has this girl got 2 dads or is it the same bloke?
Title: Re: Curry pan sauce:
Post by: JerryM on December 11, 2009, 07:28 AM
Mikka,

i've got your recipe in spreadsheet now. the spice is ~34ml and 750ml of base is used. ps i will make much smaller portion's to allow more dishes to be made. i just need to chart the spice journey - i'm hoping to keep the same pot of spice going throughout.

my only question is on the allspice. this i use but not in curry. i can see the amount is very small. it's quite a bitter taste (best i can do is nutmeg texture with a hint of cinnamon). what gave u the thought of including it.
Title: Re: Curry pan sauce:
Post by: Mikka1 on December 11, 2009, 10:50 AM
I think you can safely swap it out Jerry although it does add something. It was that annoying smell I couldn't lay my hands on. I don't know whether this is it but its pretty darned close once made. The important thing is that everything must be ground really finely, even the fenugreek leaves. The resultant sauce is almost soup like and allows the green pepper a chance to work on the sauce.

The spice should marry quite nicely but I wouldn't leave it on the heat for longer than 30 + minutes. Cinnamon should be included, did I miss that? Nutmeg may work too?

Mikka,
I can see the amount is very small. it's quite a bitter taste (best i can do is nutmeg texture with a hint of cinnamon). what gave u the thought of including it.
Title: Re: Curry pan sauce:
Post by: JerryM on December 12, 2009, 09:05 AM
Mikka,

i'll keep it in (allspice). i won't use methi though as it does nothing for my taste buds. i did note the cinnamon. i will cook using my normal method which is done in 5 mins. this i need to do for side by side comparison.

i'll add thoughts on spice journey once i've had chance to think it through.