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Title: ali pans explained
Post by: fishy on January 28, 2012, 11:43 PM
Found this on youtube by curry2go,  you may have seen already maybe, gotta get me an ali pan now+big burner!  http://www.youtube.com/user/leviteish?feature=watch#p/u/11/hFG4FB9DhXM (http://www.youtube.com/user/leviteish?feature=watch#p/u/11/hFG4FB9DhXM)
Title: Re: ali pans explained
Post by: Terramamba on January 29, 2012, 04:21 PM
Hi Fishy  ;D

Nice one, I notice that cast iron is ok too (according to the video), I'm going to try that first as I've got one. Searched for ali pans on eBay but no luck. Any ideas?

Cheers  :)
Title: Re: ali pans explained
Post by: DalPuri on January 29, 2012, 04:44 PM
Try here Terramamba  ;)

http://www.dadibhais.com/index.php/kitchen/cookware/frying-omelette-pans.html (http://www.dadibhais.com/index.php/kitchen/cookware/frying-omelette-pans.html)

6.50p for postage upto 20kg

Frank  :)


http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=5632.0 (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=5632.0)
Title: Re: ali pans explained
Post by: Terramamba on January 29, 2012, 05:10 PM
Try here Terramamba  ;)

http://www.dadibhais.com/index.php/kitchen/cookware/frying-omelette-pans.html (http://www.dadibhais.com/index.php/kitchen/cookware/frying-omelette-pans.html)

6.50p for postage upto 20kg

Frank  :)


http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=5632.0 (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=5632.0)

Thank you, they look the business!  :)
Title: Re: ali pans explained
Post by: martinvic on January 29, 2012, 11:29 PM
Dadibhais are great, I've ordered from them no problem. but postage can make them expensive unless you are ordering a few things.

Or they still have some of these left

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ipac-Grandi-Cuochi-Aluminium-Fry/dp/B0052WSA08/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1327879347&sr=8-2 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ipac-Grandi-Cuochi-Aluminium-Fry/dp/B0052WSA08/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1327879347&sr=8-2)


Obviously, has been discussed, the cheapest places to get them are from Asian supermarkets, if you have one local.

Martin
Title: Re: ali pans explained
Post by: mikeyp on January 30, 2012, 06:22 PM
Try here Terramamba  ;)

http://www.dadibhais.com/index.php/kitchen/cookware/frying-omelette-pans.html (http://www.dadibhais.com/index.php/kitchen/cookware/frying-omelette-pans.html)

6.50p for postage upto 20kg

Frank  :)


I got 2 of those ali pans, very good value and nice long handles too, saves the curry splashing on your hands and wrists lol!!


http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=5632.0 (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=5632.0)

Thank you, they look the business!  :)
Title: Re: ali pans explained
Post by: Terramamba on January 30, 2012, 08:26 PM
I'm impressed with this company, http://www.dadibhais.com/index.php/kitchen/cookware/frying-omelette-pans.html (http://www.dadibhais.com/index.php/kitchen/cookware/frying-omelette-pans.html)  ordered today, delivery promised tomorrow! 

Also the ali is one hundred percent food grade. I know there's no proven scientific link between Alzheimer's and aluminium, but I remember well being told to cook eggs until the yolk is hard, ruination of a good yolk I say!

Thanks for the tips! :)
Title: Re: ali pans explained
Post by: Currymonster3194 on February 07, 2012, 10:15 AM
Hi, I'm new to the forum, but been cooking curries for years in a non stick Tefal pan, with good results but I always strive for that unique restaurant taste which I am so close to achieving now

I read with absolute interest what's been discussed on this thread about the importance of a good heat conducting pan, but having witnessed just how terrible Alzheimer's is I am very timid rightly or wrongly about using the favoured Aluminium frying pans
I know the general consensus is its safe but me being of a sceptical nature ain't that convinced

Si I think I may go for the other option of cast iron and I guess I can go for the larger size of  11.5 inch (28cm) as it due to the weight won't topple caused by a long handle

I know a lot of you guys are well experienced so was wondering what all your views are on the cast iron option and 11.5 inch size

Many thanks in advance
Title: Re: ali pans explained
Post by: curryhell on February 07, 2012, 10:59 AM
Hi, I'm new to the forum, but been cooking curries for years in a non stick Tefal pan, with good results but I always strive for that unique restaurant taste which I am so close to achieving now

I read with absolute interest what's been discussed on this thread about the importance of a good heat conducting pan, but having witnessed just how terrible Alzheimer's is I am very timid rightly or wrongly about using the favoured Aluminium frying pans
I know the general consensus is its safe but me being of a sceptical nature ain't that convinced

Si I think I may go for the other option of cast iron and I guess I can go for the larger size of  11.5 inch (28cm) as it due to the weight won't topple caused by a long handle

I know a lot of you guys are well experienced so was wondering what all your views are on the cast iron option and 11.5 inch size

Many thanks in advance
Are we talking real "cast iron" here or "black iron", two totally different beasts ;D.   My three curry pans are black iron. I bought mine after my first visit to a BIR kitchen all them years ago. These are what i've seen being used in all the kitchens that i've been in.  I have two 9" one portion pans and a 10" (measured across the top of the pan) for a double portion  although i tend to use the later for most curries, the 9" being used for side dishes. That way i have more curry in the pan than on the stove as many of us have experienced over the years  ;D. As for the ali pans, obvioulsy  a lot  of people use them and swear by them.  The silly thing that puts me off is the noise you get when scraping the chef's spoon across the surface.  It has the same effect on me as scraping your finger nail down a blackboard or running a fork through your teeth....ahhh >:(  Personally 11.5" i believe will be a little on the big side and would suggest a 10" as here:
http://www.dadibhais.com/index.php/kitchen/cookware/frying-omelette-pans/black-iron-omelette-pans-with-tubular-handles.html (http://www.dadibhais.com/index.php/kitchen/cookware/frying-omelette-pans/black-iron-omelette-pans-with-tubular-handles.html)

What do others think?
Title: Re: ali pans explained
Post by: PaulP on February 07, 2012, 11:04 AM
Good advice CH, I think the cast iron would be too "slow" and heavy. If you don't want to use aluminium I think black iron is the way to go. Personally I don't think there is a chance in hell of your ali pan causing dementia and yes I've witnessed this disease first hand too.

Cheers,

Paul
Title: Re: ali pans explained
Post by: Currymonster3194 on February 07, 2012, 12:03 PM
Thanks Paul and CH for the great help

That was a close shave I nearly stupidly bought cast iron not knowing the difference from black iron derrr :)

Thanks so much for your help I will try the black iron from the Bradford company you suggest

Cheers I'm liking this forum already!!
Title: Re: ali pans explained
Post by: curryhell on February 07, 2012, 12:20 PM
Thanks Paul and CH for the great help

That was a close shave I nearly stupidly bought cast iron not knowing the difference from black iron derrr :)

Thanks so much for your help I will try the black iron from the Bradford company you suggest

Cheers I'm liking this forum already!!

Not only did we save from an eventual hernia, them cast iron buggers are awful heavy to thrash around ;D, but we also saved you quite a bit of dosh, them not being very cheap either :-\.  Cast iron cookware is a nice bit of kit for your kitchen  but not ideal for us BIR cooks.  Although an 11.5" would have been ideal as a tawa ;).  The only cast iron i have is my sizzler :).  Don't forget to post the pics when you give your pan it's first outing ;D
Title: Re: ali pans explained
Post by: Currymonster3194 on February 07, 2012, 01:29 PM
Thanks guys
I noticed Bradford supplier cheap on pan but well dear on delivery
I noticed Omellate pan and fying pan on amazon

Frying pan
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Black-Iron-Frying-Pan-professional/dp/B002OS7PMW/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1328620951&sr=8-9 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Black-Iron-Frying-Pan-professional/dp/B002OS7PMW/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1328620951&sr=8-9)


Omellate pan

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002OS7QCQ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=A19UIDKN48TX5E (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002OS7QCQ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=A19UIDKN48TX5E)

Question is Omellate or fying both 10" pans but sides on Omellate pan don't slope at an angle

Thanks once again for your quick help

Title: Re: ali pans explained
Post by: PaulP on February 07, 2012, 01:43 PM
You definitely want rounded sides so you can scrape them with your curry spoon. If you have straight sides there will be a sharp angle where the sides meet the base and stuff will get stuck there.

Cheers,

Paul
Title: Re: ali pans explained
Post by: Currymonster3194 on February 07, 2012, 01:48 PM
You definitely want rounded sides so you can scrape them with your curry spoon. If you have straight sides there will be a sharp angle where the sides meet the base and stuff will get stuck there.

Cheers,

Paul

Thanks Paul

Then this is the one I will go for
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Black-Iron-Frying-Pan-professional/dp/B002OS7PMW/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1328620951&sr=8-9 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Black-Iron-Frying-Pan-professional/dp/B002OS7PMW/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1328620951&sr=8-9)

I have a delivery of some fresh spices at weekend so when I do a curry I will post some pics

Cheers

Steve
Title: Re: ali pans explained
Post by: PaulP on February 07, 2012, 02:16 PM
Hi Steve,

I must admit the picture in the link on your last post appear to show a pan with pretty straight sides and a poor angle where the sides meet the base. I would have thought more rounded sides would work better.
What do others think?

Cheers,

Paul
Title: Re: ali pans explained
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on February 07, 2012, 02:25 PM
Hi Steve,

I must admit the picture in the link on your last post appear to show a pan with pretty straight sides and a poor angle where the sides meet the base. I would have thought more rounded sides would work better.  What do others think?
100% with you there, Paul : the sharp angle at the join between the sides and the base is something I have long avoided, and the only pan we still have with such an angle is used solely for breads such as paratha, in the cooking of which the sides and the angle play no role at all.

** Phil.
Title: Re: ali pans explained
Post by: martinvic on February 07, 2012, 02:32 PM
Another to agree with Paul here.

Probably should be looking at omelette pans. with the rounded bottoms.

eg
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Omelette-construction-Suitable-surface-Absorbs-unrivalled-conductor/dp/B004D4EPDW/ref=sr_1_64?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1328624900&sr=1-64 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Omelette-construction-Suitable-surface-Absorbs-unrivalled-conductor/dp/B004D4EPDW/ref=sr_1_64?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1328624900&sr=1-64)

or

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Winware-Omelette-Pan/dp/B0055YYUB6/ref=sr_1_88?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1328625022&sr=1-88 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Winware-Omelette-Pan/dp/B0055YYUB6/ref=sr_1_88?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1328625022&sr=1-88)


Not sure what the difference is between the bar the price (same seller)? :-\

Martin
Title: Re: ali pans explained
Post by: curryhell on February 07, 2012, 02:40 PM
You definitely don't want the frying pan type where the side of the pan meets with the base.  The sides should be rounded to enable easy moving of the food around the pan with a chef's spoon with no corners for spices or food to get stuck and burn.

As shown in this link
http://www.dadibhais.com/index.php/kitchen/cookware/frying-omelette-pans/black-iron-omelette-pans-with-tubular-handles.html (http://www.dadibhais.com/index.php/kitchen/cookware/frying-omelette-pans/black-iron-omelette-pans-with-tubular-handles.html)
Title: Re: ali pans explained
Post by: Currymonster3194 on February 07, 2012, 02:45 PM
Thanks CH
I've just ordered the one in this link as you first suggested
http://www.dadibhais.com/index.php/kitchen/cookware/frying-omelette-pans/black-iron-omelette-pans-with-tubular-handles/black-iron-omelette-pan-10-25-5cm.html (http://www.dadibhais.com/index.php/kitchen/cookware/frying-omelette-pans/black-iron-omelette-pans-with-tubular-handles/black-iron-omelette-pan-10-25-5cm.html)

Thanks to all that helped me

Best regards

Steve
Title: Re: ali pans explained
Post by: DalPuri on February 07, 2012, 04:21 PM
One other thing Currymonster if you haven't yet read through the pan links (although it may be too late), is the single postage payment covers you upto a 20kg delivery.
So it can be quite cheap if you order a few items.

Frank.  ;)
Title: Re: ali pans explained
Post by: Currymonster3194 on February 07, 2012, 05:50 PM
One other thing Currymonster if you haven't yet read through the pan links (although it may be too late is), the single postage payment covers you upto a 20kg delivery.
So it can be quite cheap if you order a few items.

Frank.  ;)

Thanks for the info Frank
Yeah i was trying to pump up the order but in the end couldnt really think at this stage what else i needed but in the end ?6-60 on top of some ?5-00 added up wasnt too bad for the delivered pan in hindsight

Now for my next bit of study..... Following the recommended guidelines for a curry after years of playing it by ear
Cheers

Steve
Title: Re: ali pans explained
Post by: Terramamba on February 09, 2012, 10:57 PM
Try here Terramamba  ;)

http://www.dadibhais.com/index.php/kitchen/cookware/frying-omelette-pans.html (http://www.dadibhais.com/index.php/kitchen/cookware/frying-omelette-pans.html)

6.50p for postage upto 20kg

Frank  :)


http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=5632.0 (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=5632.0)

This company where very quick on the delivery, managed to find a few items I needed so the postage didn't seem to bad.

On the first use of my new Ali pan, after seasoning, I got the pan far too hot that the garlic and ginger burnt immediately! Started again and managed to make a fairly decent curry!

 ;D
Title: Re: ali pans explained
Post by: George on February 09, 2012, 11:29 PM
the ali is one hundred percent food grade.

Really? That claim sounds to me like a load of tosh. Aluminium is aluminium. Keeping it sufficiently clean for food use must be important but their claim sounds like a way of parting fools from extra money.
Title: Re: ali pans explained
Post by: Terramamba on February 09, 2012, 11:48 PM
Hi George.

100% food grade is what's claimed on their website.

We've all got to die one day, I'd rather die happy and foolish having nice yummy hot curries  :)
Title: Re: ali pans explained
Post by: fishy on February 10, 2012, 12:03 AM
the ali is one hundred percent food grade.

Really? That claim sounds to me like a load of tosh. Aluminium is aluminium. Keeping it sufficiently clean for food use must be important but their claim sounds like a way of parting fools from extra money.

So George what are the dangers and properties of Aluminium?, the video i posted (from curry2go) claim that Alzheimers and Aluminium are not proven or incorrect, surely in this day and age health and safety would have noticed this as lots of pans are made from ali
Title: Re: ali pans explained
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on February 10, 2012, 07:35 AM
the ali is one hundred percent food grade.

Really? That claim sounds to me like a load of tosh. Aluminium is aluminium. Keeping it sufficiently clean for food use must be important but their claim sounds like a way of parting fools from extra money.
From the Australian Aluminium Council :
Quote
What is food grade aluminium ?
    There is no Australian Standard covering
Title: Re: ali pans explained
Post by: noble ox on February 10, 2012, 11:25 AM
Why are you using Aluminium pans?
The industry and marketing know the downsides to using this metal (their "war cry" is the same as the tobacco industry)
If acidic goods are cooked tomatoes etc the oxides leach out into the cooking Good or Bad you choose
To make it worse metal spoons are used to help this process
Ali is cheap mass produced that's why a lot of cooks choose it
Carbonised steel must be the direction to take as there are benefits to the health a good" Saute" pot will cost ?30 and will last a lifetime
Title: Re: ali pans explained
Post by: PaulP on February 10, 2012, 12:53 PM
Noble Ox, can you give us any credible links that show that cooking (not storing) even acidic foodstuff causes an aluminium overdose in humans? If you ever eat in any restaurant you will probably find that nearly all the pots in the kitchen are made from aluminium.

Paul
Title: Re: ali pans explained
Post by: chewytikka on February 10, 2012, 01:03 PM
All my Ali pans are 303 food grade, even the Teflon coated ones. Luvly Jubbly ;D
My Ali pressure cookers are 505 food grade, ;D
Eh, what were we talking about again, Who's is this Kitchen, is this a computer. ::)

(http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/imagehost/pics/409b693924c2bcada2f3600545345169.jpg) (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/imagehost/#409b693924c2bcada2f3600545345169.jpg)
Title: Re: ali pans explained
Post by: noble ox on February 10, 2012, 04:45 PM
Noble Ox, can you give us any credible links that show that cooking (not storing) even acidic foodstuff causes an aluminium overdose in humans? If you ever eat in any restaurant you will probably find that nearly all the pots in the kitchen are made from aluminium.

Paul
Hi Paul
This debate has gone on for too many years ,as they say "no smoke without fire" So I will play safe and avoid aluminium it makes sense to me,to be sure of what to use which is safe.
Title: Re: ali pans explained
Post by: fishy on February 10, 2012, 09:23 PM
http://www.only-cookware.com/aluminum_cookware_bad_for_health.html (http://www.only-cookware.com/aluminum_cookware_bad_for_health.html)

Title: Re: ali pans explained
Post by: haldi on February 11, 2012, 08:48 AM
Fishes link is very reassuring
But what concerns me is the method the curry chef uses
He scrapes and scratches the pan with a ferocity not normally attributed to cooking
Surely, this must add to the quantity of aluminium present in the curry
Title: Re: ali pans explained
Post by: loveitspicy on February 11, 2012, 10:05 AM
Fishes link is very reassuring
But what concerns me is the method the curry chef uses
He scrapes and scratches the pan with a ferocity not normally attributed to cooking
Surely, this must add to the quantity of aluminium present in the curry

a curry chef would have to chisel out some aluminum to get into into the curry scraping and scratching doesnt put enough pressure to gouge out any significant amount of aluminum

"Conclusion

Aluminum pans do not pose a health risk to their users, even if they are scratched or pitted.  The amount of aluminum that leaks into food is negligible, and far less than that consumed through other methods".

best, Rich
Title: Re: ali pans explained
Post by: meggeth on December 25, 2012, 12:08 PM
Nice big pans (Ali and black iron) half price at dadibhais _ ordered myself 2, plus some cheap s/s balti dishes.
http://dadibhais.com/index.php/kitchen/cookware/frying-omelette-pans.html (http://dadibhais.com/index.php/kitchen/cookware/frying-omelette-pans.html)