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Title: Chicken Madras, posted at Cory Ander's request.
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on September 08, 2012, 09:56 PM
Twice recently Cory Ander has asked me to post my recipe for Chicken Madras, but lack of time and a focus on Chinese cuisine has prevented me from making one until today.  What follows is a verbatim transcript of the ingredients and preparation, but I include notes to indicate where improvements or alterations might be considered.

Ingredients :

The base is modified KD1 : 2 3/4 pints chicken stock, 2lb onions, 1 orange pepper, 2oz ginger, 2oz garlic, 1/2 oz fresh turmeric, 1 teaspoon sea salt.


Method (a synthesis of KD1 and CR0) :


At this point the curry can be tasted : it should taste good and edible, and if you like to experiment with minimal spicing, you can stop at this point and eat it.  Otherwise read/carry on ...


Serve with pulao rice, chapatti, red onion and tomato salad, and if you want to liven it up further, Chinthe Burmese lime pickle.  Enjoy.

** Phil.

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Notes :

Title: Re: Chicken Madras, posted at Cory Ander's request.
Post by: Tommy Timebomb on September 08, 2012, 10:57 PM
No matter what I could say about this post Phil would be an understatement.
You certainly have delivered the goods.
Title: Re: Chicken Madras, posted at Cory Ander's request.
Post by: curryhell on September 09, 2012, 01:40 AM
Obviously one for an up market establishment Phil  :).  Before the comments start maybe the critics should try it first eh?? ::)
Title: Re: Chicken Madras, posted at Cory Ander's request.
Post by: colin grigson on September 09, 2012, 06:39 AM
Thanks Phil !!

I can't wait for the first person to give this a go ( I'm dieting otherwise I would !  ;) ) and reporting back , It looks different to the 'norm' recipe on here for sure and I can imagine it tasting great cooked to spec ... you couldn't tease us with a few pics Phil  :) :)
Title: Re: Chicken Madras, posted at Cory Ander's request.
Post by: Tommy Timebomb on September 09, 2012, 09:48 AM
Obviously one for an up market establishment Phil  :).  Before the comments start maybe the critics should try it first eh?? ::)
I was actually referring to what a concise and well put together posting.
Unfortunately this is out of my league at the minute but like many of the recipes on here it is one that I would like to get around to at some point.
I'm sure some of the more experienced people will be able to give criticism to the recipe constructive or not!
Title: Re: Chicken Madras, posted at Cory Ander's request.
Post by: curryhell on September 09, 2012, 10:07 AM
Obviously one for an up market establishment Phil  :).  Before the comments start maybe the critics should try it first eh?? ::)
I was actually referring to what a concise and well put together posting.
Unfortunately this is out of my league at the minute but like many of the recipes on here it is one that I would like to get around to at some point.
I'm sure some of the more experienced people will be able to give criticism to the recipe constructive or not!
No criticism of your reply meant TT.  My comment was aimed at any who may be tempted to pull  Phil's recipe apart before they've even tried it, as does sometimes happen  :-\.
Title: Re: Chicken Madras, posted at Cory Ander's request.
Post by: Tommy Timebomb on September 09, 2012, 10:36 AM
My apologies for jumping the gun CH.  ;)
Title: Re: Chicken Madras, posted at Cory Ander's request.
Post by: curryhell on September 09, 2012, 11:03 AM
My apologies for jumping the gun CH.  ;)
Not your fault.  Maybe my post could have been a little clearer ??? ::)
Title: Re: Chicken Madras, posted at Cory Ander's request.
Post by: Secret Santa on September 09, 2012, 11:16 AM
Obviously one for an up market establishment Phil  :).  Before the comments start maybe the critics should try it first eh?? ::)

I don't need to try it to know it isn't a madras as I understand madras. I can tell from the ingredients that it'll be a good BIR curry but the lime, chat masala and Patak's paste ( :'() drag it kicking and screaming from old style madras. It'll probably fit in well with the modern interpretation of madras though.
Title: Re: Chicken Madras, posted at Cory Ander's request.
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on September 09, 2012, 10:35 PM
My thanks to all for their comments so far.  A friend came over today to join me at the local (Horsmonden) Gypsy Horse Fair and then help in the garden; in exchange for his help I offered him dinner, for which we had Aloo Tikki, made to Mrs Athwal's recipe (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=8798.msg78645#msg78645), vegetable pakoras (made by Mrs Athwal herself), microwave-cooked pulao rice (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=8682.msg77174#msg77174), and the second half of yesterday's Chicken Madras (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=8809.msg78769).  He spontaneously said how good the pulao rice was, so I took the opportunity to ask him for his honest opinion on the other dishes, explaining that I had published the Aloo Tikki and Chicken Madras recipes on this forum; he said that he preferred the Aloo Tikki to the vegetable pakora, and that the Chicken Madras was on a par with that served in his son's favourite Indian restaurant in Tunbridge Wells (Masala, in the Pantiles).  Needless to say I was very pleased at this positive feedback, although I now know that the Chicken Madras recipe was not as intended. 

It is now, unfortunately, too late to amend the initial posting, so I append a couple of pertinent comments below.  Incidentally, the ajwain in the Aloo Tikki has to be tasted to be believed; it really does add a whole new flavour to the Indian arsenal (at least, for those such as myself who do not use ajwain on a regular basis).

You couldn't tease us with a few pics Phil  :) :)
Sorry, can't oblige Colin : took none yesterday, and it is now all gone :(  When I make it again (won't be long, lots of base left !) I will do my best to oblige, although I don't normally photograph my curries as I'm too keen to start eating them once they are ready ...

** Phil.
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Additional notes to supplement original posting (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=8809.msg7876) :

1) The orange pepper was accidentally omitted from the base; I found it in the 'fridge today.
2) The unexpected thickness of the sauce can probably be attributed to two factors : the accidental omission of the liquidised peeled plum tomatoes from the base (see note 3 in original message), and the fact that I failed to maintain the depth of the base constant throughout its cooking, as I have done on previous occasions when using this recipe.

I would strongly recommend that if anyone is tempted to try this recipe, they should ensure that the base levels are as near as possible identical at the beginning and end of the cooking period.  Whether the peeled plum tomatoes are an essential ingredient is moot : KD does not use tomato puree in her Chicken Madras, and I do, so I am already adding tomato that she omits; on the other hand, Secret Santa has argued in a recent message (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=8805.msg78788#msg78788) that traditional BIR Chicken Madras was "more tomato-ey than a Vindaloo", so perhaps the addition of the peeled plum tomatoes could help move the flavour in that direction.  For those wishing to try the base with peeled plum tomatoes, I append the modified version below.

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The base is modified KD1 : 2 3/4 pints chicken stock, 2lb onions, 1 orange pepper, 2oz ginger, 2oz garlic, 1/2 oz fresh turmeric, 1 teaspoon sea salt.
  •     Cut onions in half, pepper in quarters,
  •     blend garlic, ginger and turmeric with 1/2 pint stock,
  •     bring to boil in pressure cooker,
  •     reduce heat to just maintain pressure,
  •     cook until onions soft (maybe 1H30).
  •     Liquidise for at least two minutes

Added :

  • Liquidise one can of peeled plum tomatoes for at least two minutes
  • Put four tablespoons of oil into a saucepan
  • Add one teaspoon of paprika
  • Heat gently until bubbles can be seen coming off
  • Add the liquidised peeled plum tomatoes and the onion/garlic/ginger/pepper base
  • Bring to the boil, then simmer gently for about half an hour
  • Pass through sieve or mouli (mainly because fibrous nature of fresh turmeric).
Title: Re: Chicken Madras, posted at Cory Ander's request.
Post by: Secret Santa on September 10, 2012, 12:34 AM
Incidentally, the ajwain in the Aloo Tikki has to be tasted to be believed; it really does add a whole new flavour to the Indian arsenal (at least, for those such as myself who do not use ajwain on a regular basis).

I use ajwain in my base sauce as standard Phil but because I've always been focused on the curries rather than the extras I've never considered its use outside of the base. It is only a strong thyme flavouring though. I was, in one of those strange coincidences, actually perusing aloo tikki recipes before you posted your version so I'll take note of your comments.

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on the other hand, Secret Santa has argued in a recent message that traditional BIR Chicken Madras was "more tomato-ey than a Vindaloo", so perhaps the addition of the peeled plum tomatoes could help move the flavour in that direction.

That, of course, is purely personal opinion based on my experiences and should not influence the direction of your experimentation if it does not agree with your actual experiences of typical modern madrases (assuming that's what you're aiming for - and your recipe suggests that it is). But peeled plum tomatoes, blended down, are definitely something I use in my madras in addition to the tomato puree.
Title: Re: Chicken Madras, posted at Cory Ander's request.
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on September 13, 2012, 08:12 PM
Curry p0rn (https://picasaweb.google.com/Chaa006/ChickenMadras2012?authkey=Gv1sRgCKCAiKDlxciGMg#) now added as requested.  Also now here (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=8839.new), for those who prefer their images on-site.
** Phil.
Title: Re: Chicken Madras, posted at Cory Ander's request.
Post by: curryhell on September 13, 2012, 09:12 PM
Curry p0rn (https://picasaweb.google.com/Chaa006/ChickenMadras2012?authkey=Gv1sRgCKCAiKDlxciGMg#) now added as requested.
** Phil.
Nice bit of porn there.  Shame they're not on site :(
Title: Re: Chicken Madras, posted at Cory Ander's request.
Post by: Peripatetic Phil on September 13, 2012, 09:21 PM
Nice bit of porn there.  Shame they're not on site :(
Well, thank you for the kind words, CH, but why does it matter where the images are hosted ?  Picasaweb is easy, convenient, offers a nice slideshow facility and the images can be updated in situ without the URL changing; the CR0 image host is/has none of these.  Local copies (http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=8839.new) now added, for those who prefer their images on-site.

** Phil.