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Curry Chat => Lets Talk Curry => Topic started by: ELW on October 10, 2012, 08:45 PM
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Hi does anyone know anything about this:
http://www.wmpot.co.uk/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=280 (http://www.wmpot.co.uk/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=280)
Don't like the price of this little clay pot at all, but I can see some off piste potential in it. Unless tikka is cooked in a tandoor, it's not better than the bir's.............sorry blade ;)
ELW
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Unless tikka is cooked in a tandoor, it's not better than the bir's.............sorry blade ;)
I disagree. It may be difficult to prepare naan bread by other methods but I consider Blade's tikka cooked using a domestic grill as superior to the vast majority of tikka I've had in BIRs, which presumably they cook using a tandoor.
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I don't know if domestic ovens produce enough heat to emulate a tandoor.
Does anyone know if there is a small portable - probably gas fired off a BBQ cylinder?? tandoor on the market at all?
Edit: oops I just checked online and they are indeed available with a nice stainless outer cladding and are about five hundred clams UK :o :o
Eat that tikka, kids, or else. I'll have you know that each bite cost ten bucks ;D
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I dont think a domestic oven will reach anything like the temperature of a tandoor. Agree blades chicken tikka takes some beating. No comparision to the miserable 4/5 bits of soggy steamed/microwaved tikka my local TAs serve up as a starter, and always garmished with those orrible greasy slimey onions. Yuk! But, I'm off out to an Indian restaurant tomorrow night for the first time in yonks. Looking forward to make a few comparisions, including the chicken tikka. I would like a tandoor oven though for the naans :P
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They have been advertising these http://www.weberbbq.com.au/CompareProducts.php?comparisonId=1 (http://www.weberbbq.com.au/CompareProducts.php?comparisonId=1) quite heavily on TV in Australia, Christmas approacheth ;D. I wonder how hot they could get? You can get a pizza stone to fit.
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Does anyone know if there is a small portable - probably gas fired off a BBQ cylinder?? tandoor on the market at all?
Edit: oops I just checked online and they are indeed available with a nice stainless outer cladding and are about five hundred clams UK :o :o
You could always build your own with these items for around 120 pounds :)
(http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/imagehost/pics/1a5cc33695fe4eec35e762f556365bf4.jpg) Galvanised dustbin 18 pounds
Two of these. one inverted on top of the other.
(http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/imagehost/pics/1429443e14c06fe91f4586df6af06846.JPG)5 pounds each
An angle grinder for cutting the bottom off of one pot (maybe both) and making a hole in the side of the other pot and the dustbin for air and the wok burner
(http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/imagehost/pics/4e6b464b1363f56d7717fc564c6d92f1.jpg)If you dont own an angle grinder, borrow one from a friend
(http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/imagehost/pics/6ce9416787cbd05aa2cbe39e8db6298e.jpg) 4 or 5 quid Fire cement for sticking the two pots together. Or save some money and just use the lime mortar mix.
(http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/imagehost/pics/446897c7c3cd9cc8e2e1a5967e258b44.jpg) Short piece of piping from the scrapyard for a couple of quid for bottom ventilation and wok burner
(http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/imagehost/pics/bbee88e4dcc95b7d960dd115af497e51.jpg) Large bag of perlite or vermiculite 20 quid or less for insulation between the pots and bin.
(http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/imagehost/pics/b57d11587bd0e0619e53194655779390.jpg) 1 square mtr chicken wire. couple of quid or anything that will hold the insulation down for cementing and sealing upto the rim of the pot opening and the dustbin.
(http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/imagehost/pics/6fca99f3906184358eb674ecaa20ff05.png)
ready mix and lime 6 or 7 quid
(http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/imagehost/pics/a86d0f17156ee27e1db6bb9a51d7540e.jpg)
(http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/imagehost/pics/9366f03a874aa923362baa4733b3a0c4.jpg) wok burner 26 quid
(http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/imagehost/pics/3134e371e5296affebcc2f06f0e5de04.jpg) a wire basket or fire grate from an old bbq - FREE
(http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/imagehost/pics/565469b18ce9583aa8e827db412b2166.jpg) bag of bbq lava rocks less than 5 pounds
(http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/imagehost/pics/50ebe17149ba6ccb0c1bdd4e5cdf1ac5.jpg) small bottle of gas 18 pounds
(http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/imagehost/pics/1e77dbee9114bc0f4722278dcba4caff.jpg) hose and regulator 6 or 7 quid
(http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/imagehost/pics/f290d5423ae15a49f4187743c90ca2cc.jpeg)
Cheers, Frank. :)
p.s. that last pic is from the net. it looks more like a straight pot than the ideal belly shape you would achieve with two large terracotta planters. I'm just showing how it could be finished with the mortar.
** you will also need to raise the lower pot up from the bottom of the bin with some mortar or fire bricks for added insulation/height adjustment/longevity of the bin.
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Surely one small omission to that list : submission of detailed plans, accompanied by professionally drawn-up risk assessment analysis and functional prototype to local Fire Brigade for investigation into possible breaches of the Non-permanent External Cooking Devices Act 2007 (as amended) --
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I'd swap the galavanised bin for a steel drum...pronto
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When i first thought about building one i would've gone with a steel drum.
But they are usually too big, dirty and harder to source for most people, so a galvanised bin is an easier alternative and will work just fine.
I did look into finding a clean steel drum last year but the nearest was over 100 miles away!
A good price at 8 quid but not worth the fuel and trouble.
I'll keep the steel drum for a homemade smoker when i get one. :D
(http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/imagehost/pics/7b7dd8ecc646ae52ab828a2d18775e0e.jpg)
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welders working on galvanised used to be poisoned by the zinc given off. Different temperatures, but charcoal gets seriously hot also. Adding food to the mix could be potentially dangerous...steel bin or drum would be on the safe side.
Tandoor cooking produces a completely unique flavour to food, that isn't obtained by a charcoal barbeque & certainly not by an oven or grill. Thats why I still buy it. Assume nothing when it comes bir tikka, it could easily come from an oven
I'd say blades tikka is popular as it doesn't contain yoghurt, which when used out of balance in tikka,tastes sour & supermarket like, when cooked at home. Try cutting yoghurt with milk & upping some of the other ingredients
Edit- anyone ever uses a clay pot of any kind in their oven? I've seen them casserole style for under a tenner, which raises suspicion about the price of this one.
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Mick (CBM) gave a link with his book for a outdoor solid fuel tandoor build that looks a proper job. Hoping to make one next year. I'm not too confident on the practical side; generally make a total mess twice and (sometimes) get it right on the third atempt, in which case it's cheaper to get someone in to do it. But have a few mates who could sort this type of project with me and will be calling in a few favours.
Rob
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Mick (CBM) gave a link with his book for a outdoor solid fuel tandoor build that looks a proper job. Hoping to make one next year. I'm not too confident on the practical side; generally make a total mess twice and (sometimes) get it right on the third atempt, in which case it's cheaper to get someone in to do it. But have a few mates who could sort this type of project with me and will be calling in a few favours.
Rob
A Tandoor would be great. I've helped build a wood fired pizza oven from scratch. The principles the same as a tandoor, but far more laborious(it has to look good), far more materials & therefore cost. Can cook a pizza in 90 odd seconds. Should have added a tandoor while doing it
ELW
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I wouldnt think the bin would come into play would it? Considering the food would be inside the clay which in turn is inside the insulation layer of perlite, the bin shouldn't get too hot. But i'm no expert, it was just just an idea as i've seen quite a few pics in google of them made with galvanised bins.
anyone ever uses a clay pot of any kind in their oven? I've seen them casserole style for under a tenner, which raises suspicion about the price of this one.
I've got a couple of Romertopfe so will give them a try next batch. ;)
Mick (CBM) gave a link with his book for a outdoor solid fuel tandoor build that looks a proper job.
Rob
I thought he gave up on that and opted for a small gas one because the big one was a right pain.
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ELW
cheap tandoor on flea bay..needs a clean
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/320998725149?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/320998725149?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)
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I wouldnt think the bin would come into play would it? Considering the food would be inside the clay which in turn is inside the insulation layer of perlite, the bin shouldn't get too hot. But i'm no expert, it was just just an idea as i've seen quite a few pics in google of them made with galvanised bins.
anyone ever uses a clay pot of any kind in their oven? I've seen them casserole style for under a tenner, which raises suspicion about the price of this one.
I've got a couple of Romertopfe so will give them a try next batch. ;)
Mick (CBM) gave a link with his book for a outdoor solid fuel tandoor build that looks a proper job.
Rob
I thought he gave up on that and opted for a small gas one because the big one was a right pain.
I'm no expert either Dalpuri, but the pizza oven still gets hot on the outside & has a few more skins of building material than the tandoor. I was thinking of doing a bit of bodging with that little pot. Are Romertopfe pots glazed?
ELW
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ELW
cheap tandoor on flea bay..needs a clean
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/320998725149?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/320998725149?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)
Now thats got to be worth a punt! mmjr
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Mick (CBM) gave a link with his book for a outdoor solid fuel tandoor build that looks a proper job.
Rob
I thought he gave up on that and opted for a small gas one because the big one was a right pain.
I didn't know that. Disappointed; it looked the business. Back to the drawing board. Seen some of the purpose- made stainless portable tandoor (charcoal) ovens advertised, bit pricey but looks like an option.
Rob
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Are Romertopfe pots glazed?
ELW
I think they can be either or?
The small one i have has a glazed bottom half. the rest is unglazed.
Not sure about the large one in the garage, will have to check.
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Mick (CBM) gave a link with his book for a outdoor solid fuel tandoor build that looks a proper job.
Rob
I thought he gave up on that and opted for a small gas one because the big one was a right pain.
I didn't know that. Disappointed; it looked the business. Back to the drawing board. Seen some of the purpose- made stainless portable tandoor (charcoal) ovens advertised, bit pricey but looks like an option.
Rob
Hi Rob,
Just to clarify....
My original brick and pot tandoor worked well as in what it was designed to do, however, there were some issues.
The issues that I didn't like may not be a problem to others.
I found that on lighting it there would be a layer of soot lining the clay. I have seen some photos on here where this looks like the case,this had to be burned off for me as I don't want to eat soot on the back of a naan bread. It would only be burned off once the tandoor had reached a very high temperature (sorry didn't measure it). This would be too hot to hold your hand over the opening let alone consider inserting your arm into the tandoor to slap a naan on the side.
Once the soot had burned off I would have to wait for the temperature to drop and then you could cook on the skewers but still had to wait further before being able to cook naan breads.
Once it was at a temperature to cook the breads it was a bit of a pain adding more charcoal and trying to regulate the temperature. All this when perhaps only cooking for a couple of hours was too much hassle for me.
So I decided that gas was the way forward.
I found a steel balti house type tandoor on Ebay and drove to Bradford to get it.
It is so much easier, cleaner and a whole lot more fun. The taste is still fantastic although it is gas fired. The smoke created from juices dripping onto the hot lava stones adds plenty of flavour to the meat etc
(http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k567/currybarkingmad/2011-07-01082614800x600.jpg)
The brickwork BBQ in front used to house the original tandoor. Curry shed and steel tandoor behind.
(http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k567/currybarkingmad/tand3.jpg)
I have changed the burner fitting since this was taken.
(http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k567/currybarkingmad/IMG_1763800x600.jpg)
Chicken Tikka and Tandoori Chicken
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Guys-have a look here, i have tried these and you can get high temps in a domestic oven.
You can get them in the UK but sadly I lost mine when my (now ex)wife cleared the house out while I was at work!
http://www.romertopfonline.com/clay-bakers/ (http://www.romertopfonline.com/clay-bakers/)
Hope this helps
Phil
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What's the inner dimensions of that steel tandoor please Mick?
Doesn't look far off a 13kg gas bottle. I've got a few of those kicking around that only the scrap will take.
Cut the top off a bottle, wrap it with high temperature insulation wool, tie it with fire rope and bobs yer uncle.
A mini steel tandoor. ;D
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Mick (CBM) gave a link with his book for a outdoor solid fuel tandoor build that looks a proper job.
Rob
I thought he gave up on that and opted for a small gas one because the big one was a right pain.
I didn't know that. Disappointed; it looked the business. Back to the drawing board. Seen some of the purpose- made stainless portable tandoor (charcoal) ovens advertised, bit pricey but looks like an option.
Rob
Hi Rob,
Just to clarify....
My original brick and pot tandoor worked well as in what it was designed to do, however, there were some issues.
The issues that I didn't like may not be a problem to others.
I found that on lighting it there would be a layer of soot lining the clay. I have seen some photos on here where this looks like the case,this had to be burned off for me as I don't want to eat soot on the back of a naan bread. It would only be burned off once the tandoor had reached a very high temperature (sorry didn't measure it). This would be too hot to hold your hand over the opening let alone consider inserting your arm into the tandoor to slap a naan on the side.
Once the soot had burned off I would have to wait for the temperature to drop and then you could cook on the skewers but still had to wait further before being able to cook naan breads.
Once it was at a temperature to cook the breads it was a bit of a pain adding more charcoal and trying to regulate the temperature. All this when perhaps only cooking for a couple of hours was too much hassle for me.
So I decided that gas was the way forward.
I found a steel balti house type tandoor on Ebay and drove to Bradford to get it.
It is so much easier, cleaner and a whole lot more fun. The taste is still fantastic although it is gas fired. The smoke created from juices dripping onto the hot lava stones adds plenty of flavour to the meat etc
(http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k567/currybarkingmad/2011-07-01082614800x600.jpg)
The brickwork BBQ in front used to house the original tandoor. Curry shed and steel tandoor behind.
(http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k567/currybarkingmad/tand3.jpg)
I have changed the burner fitting since this was taken.
(http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k567/currybarkingmad/IMG_1763800x600.jpg)
Chicken Tikka and Tandoori Chicken
Many thanks Mick. Great advice.
Rob
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What's the inner dimensions of that steel tandoor please Mick?
Doesn't look far off a 13kg gas bottle. I've got a few of those kicking around that only the scrap will take.
Cut the top off a bottle, wrap it with high temperature insulation wool, tie it with fire rope and bobs yer uncle.
A mini steel tandoor. ;D
Hi DalPuri,
A fair bit larger than a 13kg bottle mate.
The internal measurements are...
Height = 28 inches
Diameter across the base = 20 inches
Diameter across the top opening = 16 and 1/2 inches
Just been out in the rain to get those measurements ;D Must be mad
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Cheers Mick, I was going to do the same but had me slippers on. ;D
Luckily, the 19 was just outside the back door. ;)
Pretty tall then. As big as a 19kg. Dont fancy trashing one of those though.
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I lost mine when my (now ex)wife cleared the house out while I was at work!
Damn but those women know how to hurt a man. A kick in the Nads would be less painful. :o ;D
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A while back i wanted to build a rocket stove. Never did start it, but the past few days have been thinking whether i could build a double rocket stove to incorporate an oven.
As with most new ideas, you find that someone has already invented it. ;)
rocket stove 1.mp4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z9XwHnYGic#)
Portable Rocket Stove Pizza Oven (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFjbE8coX4M#)
No hanging around for hours waiting for the heat to build up. Very fast reaching temps of 450 and very economical.
Insulation is the key with these stoves.
Scaled down and fully insulated, a tandoor could be made with the same principles.
Cheers, Frank. :)