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I suspect the main reason is factors 2 & 3.

Yes I agree with you there. When you cook your nose is bombarded with aroma particles and soon becomes used to them so you no longer can smell them. So walking into a kitchen to be hit by all the aromas is quite a different experience to cooking yourself. Bruce Edwards talks about this in his Curry House Cookery. I've had a similar experience when my brother cooks curry. I think often they can taste better than mine. But he says the same of my curries!

I really do think the psychological factor is significant. I'm going off on a tangent from the original post but this interests me a lot! I mean let's compare the two briefly:

Cook at home:
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Requires effort (even though we all love it), nose bombarded with cooking smells, can be a little stressful (prep, remembering recipes, washing up, cleaning, mess), there is a chance it might not turn out well (happens to all of us at some point) which itself can induce a little stress, you know that YOU have cooked it, there is less anticipation since you make it yourself, you have to serve yourself etc etc

Restuarant / T/A:
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more sense of excitement / anticipation, choosing what to order gets your imagination going and tastebuds tingling, you get that aroma hit when you first smell the curry, no stress with cleaning / washing up/ cooking, it's a 'real' BIR curry, etc.

So even if the curry you made was 100% identical to the take away one, you can be pretty sure the t/a one will taste better to you.

Back on topic, another thing I find with base sauce with more spices/powders in them is that it is easier to hit that spice saturation point when you cook the curry. I'm sure this has happened to most of you when you add too much spice powder and you end up being able to feel the spices in your mouth. It almost tastes powdery, like you can feel too much powder on your tongue when you eat the curry.

I think the less spice powder in the base, the more you can add during the balti cooking phase (before hitting the spice threshold mentioned above) where you directly fry the spices in oil. We all know that frying spices in oil extracts more flavour than boiling them (which is what happens in most base recipes) so logically you would think it would be better to add more during the frying stage than boiling stage. At least that's how it seems to me. Again, I could be wrong.

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Hi all,

Thought I'd chime in here too.  I agree with the original poster who questions why so many base sauce recipes are so strongly flavoured.

I have tried the base sauce in 2 restaurants/takeaways. Both were very bland tasting, with the overwhelming flavour being onion. Both of these places produce some great curries using their bases, which have 'that' BIR taste. So from my own personal experience, I know for sure that a strongly spiced/flavoured base is not required to get the BIR taste. That said, the taste (I think) was not exactly the same as when I make a base sauce at home.

I have tried a few base recipes at home ranging from the very simple Kris Dhillon base (not much more than onions/toms with a bit of G/G and tumeric), the Bruce Edwards one (with more veg and mixed powder) to the Kushi base which turns out to be quite strongly flavoured. Of the three I prefer the KD one since you have much more freedom when it comes to adding powders to be fried during the balti cooking stage. I have made some curries using this base that I have been very happy with.

That said, I'm still to make one that beats a GOOD BIR curry (there are some very poor ones out there that are easy to better).

On a side note, I'm not a 'set in my ways' bloke, so I'm looking just now for a different base recipe and mix powder to try, to see if I can get closer to that perfect BIR flavour. I am happy to be proved wrong about my 'simpler the better' base theory. I do suspect, however, that a good portion of the BIR 'thing' is psychological. I'd love to arrange / participate in a blind taste test comparing curry house curries to home made attempts to see if people can really tell which are which.



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Lets Talk Curry / Re: Poundland onion bags
« on: December 20, 2013, 01:49 PM »
Hi,

It's funny, these cost ?1 at my local Poundland too!

I bought one of these a good few months ago for exactly the same reason as you. I buy the 5lb bags of onions too and bought this to put the 'left over' onions into.

As well as keeping them as fresh as possible, not being full of holes like the onion nets means the bits of skin that fall off don't end up everywhere in the cupboard either.

I think our Poundland has balti dishes too, but I've not bought one since they seem a little flimsy, but that's to be expected for ?1

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I am curious, how do these chefs manage to get their frying pans in flames?

It helps to have a jumbo jet flame beneath the pan!

I was frying some mushrooms last night in a low sided griddle pan.
Had the burner on full heat (still not a very big burner) and I was moving the pan back and forth, as the chef does in this video, whilst throwing the mushrooms around with a spatula. I got the odd flare-up, but nothing like this.

When the oil spits, if it comes into contact with the flame from the burner, it will ignite.

It's hard to get this to happen at home simply due to the smaller domestic burner size.

h4ppy-chris >> Just wondering what your ebook will teach people that is not already covered on this forum?

Cheers

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Lets Talk Curry / Re: Inferior 'gravy' based curries...
« on: March 08, 2012, 03:22 PM »
Thanks for the recipe links, will check them out.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking gravy curries for the sake of it, in fact I'm not knocking good ones at all, but once I tasted a real Handi, the difference was unmissable.

I've also seen some restaurants label certain curries on their specials menu as 'Handi' or 'Clay Pot Chicken' for example, but in fact they don't cook them from scratch in real clay pots. So if people try these they may think they are no better than regular gravy curries since they probably use the same gravy.

ELW - I reckon you should go for it and try a dish from one of your local 'Authentic Indian' restaurants, and quiz them about the cooking process etc.

I was wondering if anyone else on here had moved towards preferring real Handi type curries over gravy ones?

That said, I feel like making some curry gravy tonight since I haven't made some for ages now!

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Lets Talk Curry / Inferior 'gravy' based curries...
« on: March 08, 2012, 02:02 PM »
Hi all,

Having a look around the forum, it seems one of the most popular topics is the subject of curry 'gravy' recipes.
Whilst I agree that gravy based curries can be nice in some restaurants, I find that in most they tend to be a bland oily slop with no real depth of flavour.

A restaurant local to me has for the last few years started to move away from these gravy curries and now push their 'from scratch' curries which they call 'Handis'. They are cooked from basic ingredients in large clay pots (hence the name Handi) and do not use gravy.

They use better cuts of meat such as real lamb instead of mutton (that a lot of restaurants pass off as lamb), as well as more unusual meats (for BIR anyway) such as pheasant and veal. As you can image, a Lamb Handi, at ?11.95, is more expensive than your average Chicken Balti, but....

...my god, the flavour and aroma of the curry is unbelievably gorgeous! It is by far and away superior to any gravy curry I have ever had, and I've eaten in numerous BIRs. These Handis are simply fantastic and I am sure that anybody who tries one would agree.

Speaking to the chef at this restaurant, he tells me it is impossible to make a gravy curry taste as good as their Handis, after all, the whole concept of the curry gravy was developed purely to be able to dish out curries one after the other at a rapid rate as opposed to for taste reasons.

My quest now has changed from finding the best gravy recipe to trying to replicate on of these Handi curries!

Is there anybody else on here who has come to a similar conclusion to me?

I have been cooking home style curry for a number of years, but I still can't get the same sauce consistency and flavour that I find in these Handi curries. Of course, the restaurant won't reveal the recipes!


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Lets Talk Curry / Re: Tasty Curry from Scratch
« on: November 08, 2010, 10:11 AM »
Hi, nice to see a curry made from scratch. Made well, these taste better than gravy based curries.

Luckily I have an asian friend who gave me a few lessons in 'home style' curry cooking.

When starting to cook a curry like this, I always throw in some whole garam masala, which can be any whole spices you like. I personally love black cardamons so I add 3 or 4 of these, a bay leaf, a couple of cloves and a piece of cassia bark. I sometimes add a star anise too, which adds a lovely flavour.

I normally try to fish them out of the curry before the end of cooking, since biting down on them isn't the most pleasant experience (especially green caradmons!) but sometimes it can be hard to spot them!

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Lets Talk Curry / Re: Just made B Edwards Base - Now which curry?
« on: November 05, 2010, 03:21 PM »
Thinking about it, now I've made a curry with the Bruce Edwards base (see my next post) the recipe for the Kris Dhillon base seems OK to me - it's just very plain with no spices.

CC you're quite right about KD's base, the plainness is what I like about it (although it has a little too much tomato for my personal preference). It leaves much more room for spicing variations when you come to make the curries.

Bloody nice looking curry btw for your first go!

Did you keep to the one teaspoon of spices in the first one you made? If so did you feel that it needed more spicing?

Yes in the first one I made (the one shown in the photo) I used a teaspoon or so of the spice mix, a bit less than the amount I add in the video, but I didn't add cumin seeds to begin with.

I brought the second curry into work today. Everyone loves it, which is nice :) It tastes even better today.

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Lets Talk Curry / Re: Just made B Edwards Base - Now which curry?
« on: November 05, 2010, 03:04 PM »
chilli chopper,

picture is immense - well done.

the video is real good learning opportunity for everyone.

the 1st thing that struck me is that i add garlic/ginger paste to the oil (1 tsp, i use ashoka recipe http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=3189.msg28438#msg28438).

the other main thing jumping out is that i add the base a chef spoon (4 tbsp) at a time - this stops the heat dropping.

as for KD1 i had same experience - in terms of improving this site will do it for you - think of BIR as a jigsaw that you need to tackle a piece at a time and often re visit your steps when you feel the need.

Thanks for everyones comments.

Regarding adding ginger/garlic to the oil to begin with, the reason I didn't is I personally don't like the taste of overcooked garlic (when it starts to brown) and from past experience cooking 'regular' curries, adding garlic for me normally means it is easier to overcook it. That's why I added the onions first so they would release a little moisture to give a little protection to stop me burning the garlic/spices. I think if i did add the garlic first, it probably only fry it for 30 seconds or so then add onions to get a little water in the mix.

That's a good tip about adding the base sauce in increments to keep the heat more constant. I prefer using a wooden spatula for cooking rather than a metal spoon (but I can see teh advantage of using a spoon in this case for quickly adding the spices) so next time I'll add it bit by bit.

Jason

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Lets Talk Curry / Re: Just made B Edwards Base - Now which curry?
« on: November 05, 2010, 11:49 AM »
I wish I could have turned up the heat too! But I already had the burner set to max. My stove isn't the best so when I eventually get a new one I'll make sure I get one with a big burner.

Regarding spice amounts, I think I should have put in more of the spice since I did put in more sauce than would generally be considered to be 1 portion. In the first curry I cooked there was less sauce and I think I preferred it since the spice to sauce ratio was a little higher.

It's a shame my camcorder battery died before I finished recording.

I agree that it is useful and fun to watch different people cook. But I guess its a bit of a hassle to upload vids to youtube, especially if you have to convert the video format from your camcorder before being able to edit it.

I'm going to make some more curry on Sat since I'm having the family over for a bonfire. I might have a look on here for some different spice combinations to use with the base sauce.

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