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Cooking Methods / Re: BIR, keep it simple - 9 Korma Chameleon recipes
« on: October 20, 2014, 12:58 PM »
Same here http://www.notdelia.co.uk/british-indian-restaurant-curry-different-curry-styles/
That's interesting; I'm not the only one  :D. So in a flash I can see what I can take from those recipes and what I wouldn't want to take. It well illustrates how such an approach can aid your own progress. For example, the key difference in your link between Madras and Vindaloo (other than chilli) is lemon vs. vinegar. But a Jalfrazi without pepper is not a Jalfrazi for me. But of course we have our own regional expectations, so when in such a format, such things are easy to see and tailor.

In almost 20 years of cooking curry from scratch, I had a strong portfolio of 2 curries. Inside 2 years using the base sauce approach, I have a strong portfolio of 9, and quickly growing.

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Cooking Methods / BIR, keep it simple - 9 Korma Chameleon recipes
« on: October 19, 2014, 06:24 PM »
I've been cooking curry's over 20 years, but only in the last couple of years did I get into base sauce. Amazing how you can knock up a curry so quick.

Lots of different chefs method's are very similar but very wordy, which tends to make them seem different and can have you lose focus on the main thread. While documenting, I try and keep things simple and put the rest of the "fluff" down to experience. This way I managed pull together 9 completely different curry recipes in 1.5 pages of A4. Essentially it's a super short, concise, ebook. Thought I'd share. Not sure if this is the best place for such a thing, but I see this thread as more about 'keeping it simple', using a standard approach, adapted slightly for each recipe, and less about the recipes themselves. Follow this standard approach, and take ideas out of other peoples recipes to try and match what you are looking for in your own curry.

CURRY METHOD

Pre-fry
6 tbs veg oil
1-2 tsp garlic & ginger paste
1-2 tbs fine chopped onion & green pepper
Fry above until just before browning.

Spice fry
1 tsp chilli powder
Spices
Add above and fry some seconds.

Main cook
1 portion base sauce
1 tsp salt
1 portion of pre-cooked meat
On high heat, add some base sauce bit by bit to prevent the spices burning. Add the salt. Add the meat. Reduce to simmer. Thicken the sauce to the desired consistency.

Late additions
Add the aromatics and other late additions and simmer for a minute or 2.

THE CURRY'S
You'll notice I only fill in the blanks below. The ingredients in the curry's below are to be ADDED to the standard cook outlined above...

Standard
Spice fry: 1/2 tsp cumin powder.
Late additions: 1 tsp garam masala, pinch fenugreek leaves, fresh coriander.

Madras
Pre-fry: 1 tbs tomato puree, 1 tsp lemon juice, 1/2 tsp Worcestershire sauce.
Spice fry: 1 tsp mix powder.
Late additions: pinch fenugreek leaves.

Jalfrazi
Pre-fry: half onion, half green pepper, half red pepper, 1 star anasi, 1 tbs tomato puree.
Spice fry: 1 tsp cumin powder.
Late additions: 1/2 tsp garam masala, pinch fenugreek leaves, fresh coriander.

Bhuna
Spice fry: 1 tsp coriander powder.
Late additions: 1/2 tsp garam masala, fresh coriander.

Bhuna Masala
Pre-fry: 50g mushrooms, half green pepper.
Spice fry: 1 tsp cumin powder.
Main cook: 1/4 tsp red food colour powder.
Late additions: 1.5 tsp garam masala, pinch fenugreek leaves, fresh coriander.

Do-Piaza
Pre-fry: 2 small onions (cut in strips).
Spice fry: 1 tsp cumin powder, 1/2 tsp coriander powder.
Late additions: 1 tsp garam masala, pinch fenugreek leaves, fresh coriander.

Korma
Change to standard: only 4 tbs veg oil, no ginger & garlic paste, no onion & green pepper, no chilli powder.
Spice fry: 1 tsp cumin powder.
Main cook: 2 tbs finely ground cashew nuts, 1/4 tsp yellow food colour powder.
Late additions: 150ml single cream, 1/2 tsp garam masala.

Sagwala
Change to standard: 7 tbs veg oil.
Spice fry: 2 brown cardamoms.
Main cook: 200g well chopped frozen or tinned spinach.
Late additions: 1.5 tsp garam masala.

Rogan Josh
Spice fry: 1 tsp cumin powder, 2 tsp paprika.
Late additions: 2 tbs yoghurt, 1 rough chopped tomato, 1 tsp garam masala, pinch fenugreek leaves, fresh coriander.

My favourites are the Jalfrazi & Sagwala, both made unique with the addition of their respective hard whole spice. Keeping my recipes written simple like this allows me to see easily what it is that contributes to the flavour of each curry, and so more easily pick out problem additions or omissions as I continue my search for perfection. My current base sauce of choice is Chewy's, which I split into 6 portions and cook with 400-500g meat.

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Curry Base Chat / Base sauce portion advice
« on: October 14, 2014, 09:26 PM »
During my own early BIR attempts, the most confusing aspect for me was getting the correct amount of base sauce for each curry, and at the right consistency. My advice now, to ensure repeatability, would be to think of it as splitting the finished base sauce into a predetermined number of portions. Don't worry about volume at all, just be sure to keep a thin consistency.

The problem with portioning by volume is that it depends on finished sauce thickness, which could vary from one chef to another, and even from one attempt to another. By splitting into a predetermined number of portions, you ensure that you capture the correct amount of ingredients (onions) in each portion. This can be more complicated than need be depending on what the chef states in his method. Some chefs are clear enough to state ''split into # portions''. Others might say for example, ''you should end up with about 2400 ml from which you can take portions of 400 ml''. You yourself might not end up with 2400 ml at all, and personally I find it difficult to measure that amount of hot sauce in any case, but what you would take from this example is that you should split your own finished base into 6 portions. Then there are those chefs who state ''thicken to a soup type consistency and split to portions of ### ml''; the most difficult to follow.

I'd also recommend you check the amount of meat that each chef uses with his own sauce portion, and either use that same amount of meat, or pro-rata the portion size of your base sauce to match the amount of meat you prefer to use.

In respect to sauce thickness, just think... thin is good, thick is bad. It doesn't need to be more complex than that. Obtaining exactly the chefs intended base sauce thickness is just not important. So long as the sauce is pretty thin, then it's easy to thicken up in the final curry. If you start with a thick base however, you might make the same rookie mistake as me and produce an overly thick and spicy curry. In any case, the advised curry cooking method has you flash fry the G&G, spices & onion/pepper, then gradually add base sauce to prevent sticking and burning, while importantly cooking the spices for some minutes. During these minutes, the sauce is thickening considerably and easy to control, so no harm at all in having a very thin sauce to start with. The only advantage of a thick sauce is reduced storage volume, but it should still be well thinned down before using in the final curry.

Hope it helps someone.

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BIR Main Dishes Chat / Re: Korma V Madras
« on: October 09, 2014, 11:10 PM »
Thanks CH. Yes I ask such questions more to know what the general consensus is, so as to have that as the basis on which my continued attempts will be compared. I don't think for a moment that what any one person says here will be my holy grail, as in any case, there is healthy arguments about almost everything here.

My 1 1/2 year BIR journey has so far taught me that the base sauce offers most influence, and that less is best; I don't think I've under spiced a curry yet. So I did keep my Madras simple. No fenugreek, no garam masala, no fresh coriander. Clearly then the base sauce and the chosen spice mix played a big role, but the lemon did give it an edge.

Staying on subject of the OP, I've never really taken to either Madras or Korma, but I have tried them in the BIR from time to time. And yes, my first ever attempt at Korma struck me as being exactly like the ones from the restaurant, but I should say that also the Madras was pretty OK. I think the cream in the Korma reduces the influence of the base sauce and means that almost any attempt comes out similar, while the Madras is very low on additions, so the base sauce and spice mix are big players in determining the flavour, so more difficult to replicate, if that's what you are looking for.

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Balti Dishes / Re: What is it?
« on: October 09, 2014, 10:33 PM »
At the real risk of starting a protracted naan pan discussion, just wanted to say thanks for the comments. I'm open to try anything at the moment, as even my worst attempt returns an enjoyable curry. I'll be closely investigating your suggestions.

Yes I've had 3 real Brum Balti's in my life, and each had the same distinct flavour that I have not found in any other curry. I'm not saying it's a better flavour than the standard BIR, just that it was certainly nice, and well worth trying to replicate. If I had to describe it with one word, I'd say "fresh". I wondered even if the Balti dish had anything to do with it, as I have noticed some flavour cross-over with some of my own Khari's. My enjoyable journey continues.

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Pictures of Your Curries / Re: Pan for Naan
« on: October 08, 2014, 08:15 PM »
I tried to use a frying pan like yours, but I found it was too non-stick and wasted a few naans that way.
I use a pan just like this with great results. A sprinkling of water on the pan side of the dough, before pressing it into the pan, is the trick to getting it to stick. It's easy to overdo the water and then struggle to get the naan off, but you quickly get used to this. That said, I do use a non-stick pan that is well past it's hayday. The pattern on the underside of naans is where the water was placed to get it to stick; you could even write a secret message under your naans  ;D

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Balti Dishes / What is it?
« on: October 08, 2014, 07:52 PM »
I was pretty disappointed with my first attempt at Balti. I prepared by trawling through all Balti recipes, on several forums, to try and find a similar thread that ran through them all. Nothing really stood out, other than many mentioning that Patak's Balti paste was the key. Well having tried it I can tell you that it certainly is not!

So that leaves me pretty flat with nowhere to go on this.

I'm starting to think that the real Brum Balti flavour remains the unknown of these otherwise fantastic forums, forums which have helped me crack the BIR method and massively expand my curry portfolio. So am I correct, or is there anyone out there who thinks they know the key? Is it fennel, starting with more water and boiling down, lots and lots of fresh coriander, using a specific Balti base, or what? Is there anyone that thinks they know the main key towards unlocking a real Brum Balti? Thanks.

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BIR Main Dishes Chat / Re: Korma V Madras
« on: October 08, 2014, 07:19 PM »
It's no more than a medium curry with a few shakes of Lea & Perrins and lemon juice at the right time.
I just did my first Madras today. Pretty good all in all, but I haven't had many BIR Madras, so a bit difficult to say if it replicated. But I did add lemon and worcestershire sauce. I think I forgot about the timing of the additions and just added both very late on in the initial fry. Was I wrong with this, what is "the right time"? Thanks.

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BIR Main Dishes Chat / Re: Star Anise
« on: October 08, 2014, 07:07 PM »
I think if powdered it would be one of those aromatics which quickly loses it's punch. I'm surprised you don't find whole Star Anise strong enough. I use 1 whole star in the preperation of a Jalfrazi and it comes through perfectly balanced and is a key contributor to getting the correct Jalfrazi flavour profile (at least the ones I'm familiar with). And like the others mention, it's key in Pillau rice. I'd suggest sticking with whole and just add more if you can't get the flavour through.

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BIR Main Dishes Chat / Fine chopped onion & green pepper
« on: October 08, 2014, 06:56 PM »
I'm well on the path of BIR style curry's now. Continuing to try different bases, different approaches, while at the same time expanding my curry portfolio.

On the subject of different approaches, I recently started adding about 1 tbs of finely chopped onion and green pepper as the first fry. I've not tried a side-by-side with and without, so I can't say I really know what it adds, but it's certainly not added anything bad.

Is this chopped onion/pepper rare or a pretty standard approach? What is the main intent of the addition and should it be reserved for specific curry styles? Thanks.

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