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I don't have any commercial pastes at the moment and haven't had for years. I do have some home made Balti paste which I quite like, particularly with lamb. It seems to give the curry a real depth and new layers.  I do like to try new and different things. As with most things, I imagine there are ways pastes can be, and are used. I read in this forum that they do have a place in BIR.  Thanks for your explanation of how you taste commercial pastes. To be honest, I have found most packaged Masala blends, other than variations of curry powder, to be pretty poor. Pre mixed meal / dish packets are not as good as the same dish cooked from scratch. Those that I have tried do taste preserved or over spiced. I can't say I felt that way about Pataks when I did use it but it was a while ago.

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Interesting LC. I know the Purple jar argument has been done to death everywhere, but what would you suggest is "the Pataks flavour" that seems so widely acknowledged?  Either love it or hate it, their appears to be no doubt that the Pataks flavour exists.  I can't say I notice it negatively, or that it troubles me greatly.  I used to use Pataks when it first came out in little tin cans and back then I never minded it.  I could still eat it today if needs be.  It was the closest thing to a restaurant curry I could do at home back then.  We only had Pataks or Sharwoods to choose from and not a lot has changed since. Well, it has a bit, but not much.

When you look at the ingredient list their doesn't appear to be anything in there that would add any obscure or unusual flavour.  It isn't as though Stone Flower is listed, although there is that general word "spices" in the ground spices section of the Madras Paste. which is left unexplained. Other than that, which could be anything, the list appears to be a pretty ordinary collection of common spices that you or I would normally use, so I wander what the cause of "the Taste" is.

Is it simply oversalted as a means of preservative do you think?  Salt is actually listed 3 times so I wonder if it is overly salty or if that is an error in the listing.  I immediately noticed this earlier today before re-reading the list in your post.  Perhaps they use Black Salt with it's heavy sulphurous taste.
 
If you had to use a couple of adjectives to describe the taste, what would they be?  Salty, soapy, mouldy, pungent, sour, bitter, rancid, fermented, chemical???

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These look interesting Phil. I watched the short promo videos on Youtube and they certainly do appear to be a convenient preparation.  I doubt I'll get to try them though as they work out at AUS $28 per pack to have sent here.  That is the purchase price of $9 and some cents plus another $18 postage and handling. :-\

On the up side, Pataks do provide a very comprehensive ingredient listing with some percentages down to 1 decimal place, which would make these pastes quite possibly, nearly, close to copycatable by the foolhardy DIYer. (Maybe). Or maybe I'll just make a Madras when I want one. ;)

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House Specialities / Re: Kashmiri Chicken Masala
« on: March 18, 2018, 10:42 AM »
I made this tonight with my own concocted Masala Spice mix.  While it was indeed a very pleasing dish and one I'll make again, I have no idea if it tasted like it is meant to in either 976Bar's OP using Pataks or JerryM's version using Bassar.  I think it would benefit from the use of at least just a little bit of Mixed Powder which is not present in either recipe.  Maybe next time. Still a nice dish anyway.

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Lets Talk Curry / Re: what is bassar curry masalla ?
« on: March 18, 2018, 10:35 AM »
That's brilliant research Phil. Thank you.  Depending on how things pan out tomorrow I may just take either your, or Prawnsalads, offer.  I'm fairly sure I've managed to locate the Mangal Kashmiri Masala and if that is the case, I will just give that a try and hold off on the Bassar for now.  I just can't work out why there is such difficulty getting these products here.

I actually had a go at making my own Bassar today and then used it to make the Kashmiri Chicken Masala.  It turned out very nice but without knowing the benchmark it's a bit hard to judge my efforts.

I added a couple of different "versions' of Kashmiri Masala ingredients to my analysis sheet and then extrapolated from all of that to a Best Guess formula. I had no real intention of making anything today, until I was going through some packet spice mixes in the cupboard and tossing out of date stuff, I came across a box that I'd opened, used once and forgotten about.  It was still in date.  Believe it or not it is a Fish Masala, but the ingredient list on the box was pretty much the first listed spices from everything I've looked at, and in very close sequential order.  Half the work was done. So I went about roasting and grinding a few spices and adding a few missing powders from the analysis. Job done.

Mind you I have no idea if it even resembles actual Bassar in flavour profile but it made a pretty good dinner.

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Lets Talk Curry / Re: what is bassar curry masalla ?
« on: March 18, 2018, 02:29 AM »
I love your username. I like prawnsalad but I do prefer a fresh school prawn sandwich on FRESH soft white bread with thick full fat salted butter. You should be able to feel my arteries hardening from over there.

If you can get some and we try to post it that would be great and much appreciated.  Phil had offered as well but there may be a customs issue and that is possibly the reason for it's absence from down here.  All forms of "Kashmiri Masala" as discussed here are for some reason completely missing, although I am having hopes of finding the Mangal brand product.

I've even asked the Australian Pakistani Association website if they know a formula or recipe.  Someone's parnani or panarna (great-grandmother) must know how to make it.

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Another "very old thread" but the best place to post this.

What is the big mystery surrounding, and unavailability of, any form of Kashmiri Masala all about?  I can only find 2 online stores in Australia that show they have it (Mangal brand) but both display "difficulty posting to my address" when I try to proceed through the checkout, even though I live within the stated postal area.  This is for the Mangal brand packet only.  I have contacted both firms by email and await replies.  Pataks is simply not available at all and I can completely forget about finding Bassar.  The local Indian Grocer just stared blankly at me at first, then smiled and shook her head as she was speaking in another language to her husband on the phone.  I suspect he was at the wholesaler at the time.

Why does H4ppyleader's video about his home made paste say "the one you're not meant to know about"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3d21zsmM8E
Has anybody tried this paste for themselves and if so how is it?  How would it compare to Bassar Masala?

I have found 2 other pastes, supposedly Kashmiri but the ingredients list is nothing at all like you'd think it should be.  These are Deep and Boslt's brands.

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House Specialities / Re: Kashmiri Chicken Masala
« on: March 17, 2018, 08:31 PM »
I have managed to locate an online Indian grocer who stocks Mangal Kashmiri Masala. I've read the old thread about it on this forum so I'll give it a try.

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Lovely meal. It all looks great but I particularly like the chicken tikka. It really looks juicy and tempting.

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Lets Talk Curry / Re: what is bassar curry masalla ?
« on: March 16, 2018, 09:56 AM »
Interesting that she has posted one of the only 3 home made Bassar Masala available online. Store bought? Not as far as I can see. But thanks. I'll now pursue her.
Google her Phil. She's from the UK. And selling 50 grams for nearly 4 quid.

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