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British Indian Restaurant Recipe Requests / Re: Mango Chicken
« on: February 23, 2018, 10:30 PM »
Thanks Garp, that does look good. It appears to be similar to the traditional Indian sub-continent Mango Curries that do look delicious and it is certainly on the list of dishes to try out. 

The Malai Makhoni that CT has just shown us, and then on to his Chicken Delight by the addition of mango puree, is as close as I've ever been.  I would be satisfied I'm there with some very minor modifications from the dish in my fridge right now. Perhaps the use of the Malai Tikka instead of base gravy pre-cooked chicken.  Some menu descriptions do mention Tikka, albeit not specifically Malai.  I need to further reduce the spicing or possibly use a very neutral, low spiced base and I need to examine the use of almond meal vs almond flour for the velvety smooth mouth feel.

The dish I've been looking for is really stretching the definition of the word curry. It has meat and sauce and that is about as far as it can be stretched.  This will sound very weird to people who love Chili Hot Curry but Korma people will get it.  You have to try to imagine a Mango Lassi , or creamy mango smoothy with extremely mild spicing and pre-cooked or tikka chicken.  I know it sounds odd but that is a description of the dish and why kids love it.

This is why it has been so hard to explain to people in the Curry circle what the dish is like.  It is like a desert curry.

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my wife, who doesn't like the thought of eating animals but who isn't keen on veggies either

Mate, there isn't much left to choose from. I read an article recently about a person who claimed to live on air.  Was that your wife?

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A 1/3 qty batch of base gravy, pressure cooked in an hour, used to do a Butter Chicken plus a 1/2 sized Pilau rice dish in the making.   Mix this up with the most recent leftovers and I have a banquet tonight.  Last visit to the TA cost me $80.  Great stuff.

Adendum: Pilau Rice recipe.  Chaat Masala and Knob of Butter appear to be included in the simmering ingredients list even though they are on the next page. No delineation.  Following the recipe method clearly shows that they are optional additions after the cooking procedure. 

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Lets Talk Curry / Re: Which favourite dishes have you failed to crack?
« on: February 23, 2018, 06:51 AM »
I now need to find a new mission.

30 odd years ago there was a start up business, in a beachside town where I used to surf, that was run by a young husband and wife team, cooking and home delivering "Indian" food. I only tried it once while visiting friends who actually lived there in the beach town.  Indian restaurants only just started to happen at around the same time but the business, like many others, failed even though the food was fantastic.  The dish that stands out in my memory as something I'd love to recreate was a Chicken Korma, however, it was a white korma.

This may be a much shorter mission than the previous one as I think that CT's Malai Tikka might almost already be close to the mark.

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British Indian Restaurant Recipe Requests / Re: Mango Chicken
« on: February 23, 2018, 06:10 AM »
 ;D Rippa, bonza, you bloody beauty rip-snorter, Wow, mystery solved.  If Chewytikka lived in Australia I'd try to have him declared a living national treasure, build a bronze statue in Hyde Park and have him elected to govern in perpetuity. We're not very fussy down here as you'd know if you've followed our political scene of late.  Sorry, but after 20 years what do I do now? I guess I have to go back to the failed to crack dish thread and recant now.

Chewy's latest contribution has elevated me to at least 98% mission accomplished or better.  Still a few minor things to iron out but this is the Eureka moment (another Aussie thing). I think the base gravy is still a bit strong. I used Misty Ricardo's ebook base and I didn't dilute because I require the thickness in body and mouth feel. The finished dish can't be watery at all as we typically don't have our curry as wet as you guys, or so it would seem.   I think it does need to be, as you advised years ago, a very neutral base with minimal spicing or I have to leave out the mix powder completely in the assembly cooking process.  I can take care of this.

I do have one important question however.  Almond powder?  Are we talking Almond Flour or Almond Meal?  Even though Almond meal is well ground it does still impart a slightly grainy consistency which I'd rather avoid to get closer to the preferred finish.  I could not buy Almond Flour even though my research says it exists.  There is an obvious cultural or geographic variation in the naming of certain ingredients down here.  The most obvious is what you call tomato puree we call tomato paste. Down here puree and pasata are the same thing pretty much where as Paste is a triple concentrated substance almost the consistency of toothpaste.

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I see your point SS, and Phil I have loads of books but I am enjoying the digital media format. 

For my own requirements in the BIR developmental process, this volume is a good resource, as is this forum and the youtube video platform.  It is timely for me and I consider it to be excellent value at less than the cost of a single serve curry dish from the local takeaway.  I'll certainly get my dollars worth from it.

There are dishes I'll be giving a miss though.  I'm a big pussy so I don't think I'll try the burn your face off dishes.

I once read somewhere that statistics indicate most people use less than 1% of recipes in their cookbook library and in fact most books are purchased primarily to obtain a single dish. My own behaviour is pretty consistent with that.

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So I'm now pondering the difference between "An Even Better Curry Base" and the ULTIMATE curry base. Ultimate, in being the absolute best achievable, is a very strong claim.
The recent base I made followed a very basic recipe that was apparently restaurant used in the early BIR days. Nothing but Onions, G & G, Tomato, salt, turmeric and paprika, water and very little oil.  Using this, and an equally basic onion paste, produced finished dishes that I was quite happy to have cooked.  It's use also produced a very nice pre-cooked chicken.  It all worked exactly as it should.

Does the inclusion of trace amount vegetables, coconut and extra spices, or the variation of oil ratio, or changing the cooking process from a 1 hour boil and blend to a half-day, 3 pot marathon really produce a better sauce or just a different one?

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I am going to post the ULTIMATE base sauce recipe tomorrow. Watch this space...
:o A forum member, signed up in February 2008, waits for nearly 10 years before posting their very first post? Promising to post the ULTIMATE base sauce recipe tomorrow.   ???  Phew. What is that about? 

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I went to the link yesterday and had a quick look.  I haven't got around to downloading it yet but I will be.  I must admit that I'm not up with the who's who so rshome123 would have made more sense to me.

I have it. Just paid straight up and didn't bother with the 30 day free trial.  Well worth having for under $10.  I'm already learning plenty. Very easy reading with excellent, clear and informative text.

Congratulations are definitely due. :)

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British Indian Restaurant Recipe Requests / Re: Mango Chicken
« on: February 21, 2018, 09:31 PM »
Thank you again Chewy. I will examine this recipe further today as I have left over pre-cooked chicken in the fridge.  I had noticed previously, in my global menu searching for clues, that the UK equivalent dish (or at least very similar) could be called Mango Delight.  I'm sure you already know this but your advice a few years back saw the single largest progression towards my end goal.  Prior to that, I was getting nowhere.  Suddenly I was immediately more than 9/10ths of the way there.

I hear you Phil. I usually have a savoury flavour preference and rarely eat sweats or deserts with my favourite treat being liquorice (and Ouzo, the spicy curry of spirits). However, a good version of this dish, once tried, really is something quite special and certainly very moreish. For some people, the rating of an Indian restaurant is based on the quality of their Tikka and Mango Chicken and a trip to the Indian banquet for an Aussie family inevitably includes the Mango Chicken and Cheese Naan for the kids.

Of course the side benefit of looking for this recipe is that I eventually found this site. My interest in the BIR style was triggered.

Incidentally, since I first started researching how to cook this dish, I've added a son who is now 17 and my 2 daughters have reached adulthood.  They still like Mango Chicken despite my obsession.

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