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British Indian Restaurant Recipe Requests / Re: Mango Chicken
« on: February 21, 2018, 05:49 AM »
Here I go again. The quest continues.   :o  Here is a selection of Restaurant Menu descriptions for Mango Chicken. Many of these are Australian (because that's what Google wants to show me) but similar were found in menus from New Zealand, Athens, New York and Europe including the UK.  Is the UK still considered part of Europe?  ::) When I was last frequenting this site my ancestral home was voting to leave the Union and I think something called Brexit happened as well.  Over the last couple of years I have had PM's and emails from people interested in finding the way to prepare this dish after trying it in various parts of the globe so it is not confined to Australia.  All descriptions contain mention of boneless chicken pieces with some specifying breast or thigh and we could possibly assume it is pre-cooked.  One description clearly stated Tandoor Cooked Chicken Tikka pieces in the Mango sauce.

"subtle marsala spices, cream and mango"
"creamy mango flavoured gravy"
"mouth-watering mango sauce with spices"
"creamy mango gravy with curry leaf and mustard"
"chef's specially prepared sauce with mango"
"creamy, rich, spicy and sweet mango gravy sauce"
"Classic mango chicken curry in rich mango sweet sauce"
"mango pulp, cream, garlic, ginger and spices"
"onion, ginger, garlic, tomato, creamy mango flavoured sauce"
"delicious mango flavoured cream and lightly spiced sauce"
"fresh ripe mangos and smooth cream"
"mango sauce with mustard, curry leaves and fresh cream"

It is interesting that none of these descriptions includes any mention of coconut or coconut milk while most recipes on the net inevitably contain it.  Nor is there any mention of nuts other than I did find one description that included cashews and dried fruits.  In this instance the photographed dish showed them as being whole and possibly almost a garnish.  Some photographs do definitely show a slivered almond garnish.  Also worth noting is that 2 of the descriptions above specifically mention curry leaf and mustard.  I can't say I've seen actual mustard seeds or curry leaves in any of the restaurant versions I've had.

There are literally hundreds of recipes for Mango Chicken of one type or another on the net and from my many experiments over the years, and with the knowledge provided by Chewytikka here on this forum, I can immediately discount most of them.  Some of them are quite amusing 4 ingredient throw togethers while others appear to be extremely complicated and laborious processes.  I'm reasonably sure that the restaurant versions will be somewhere in between.  I do have some promising new lines for further investigation but there are also many unanswered questions and for now it appears to be a bit like a quest for the Holy Grail. The difference is that I know Mango Chicken exists.  Most promising recipe leads I've recently found are prepared in the traditional method, so not how a restaurant or TA would cook them, but I'm confident in being able to perform the necessary transposition in methodology.  I've done so in the past with different dishes and good success.

A couple of notable ingredient consistencies that appear to pop up in many online recipes are green cardamom and cinnamon stick and red capsicum or red pepper depending on the origin.  Specifically mentioned Tomato sauce with mango popped up once that I saw.

PS: It is interesting to see that this thread has been viewed over 7000 times.

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Lets Talk Curry / Re: Which favourite dishes have you failed to crack?
« on: February 20, 2018, 11:50 PM »
My mission began around 20 years ago with trying to replicate my children's favourite "Indian" dish, being Mango Chicken. Most Indian restaurants and takeaways here cook it and while there are some minor differences between establishments, it is fairly safe to say that it is always very similar.  I did finally achieve a dish that is nice to eat and close to the mark thanks to the advice of Chewytikka, http://www.curry-recipes.co.uk/curry/index.php?topic=12501.10. However, I cannot yet claim to be able prepare "The dish" I can buy almost anywhere.

I nearly turned my kids off it with all the near misses and "try this one" attempts. I took a couple of years off regularly cooking curry for various reasons but I'm about to give it another try. Yesterday I began on a different path, using the Restaurant-Style Curries pages from the newly rediscovered Wayback Machine captures of the Celtnet.org.uk. (A big thankyou to PP here. I thought it was gone forever.)

I made a batch of the sites Base Gravy (Restaurant Curry Sauce) and then used it to precook some chicken (Indian Cooked Chicken). I made a Chicken Korma using the sites recipe and the Korma Curry Powder as well which was delicious. I also did the sites Lamb Rogan Josh and Naan plus my own mixed vegetable curry.

All very nice but the interesting point is that the pre-cooked chicken, when tasted on its own, is strikingly similar to the flavours I've been trying to achieve.  I might be onto something here. I guess I'm off the the Indian grocery shop for yet another tin of Mango Pulp and some fresh almond meal.

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Just took advantage of Phil's retrospective investigative skills and did a quick copy /paste of these recipes. Regardless of the recipes source, or provenance, I agree with Middy73 that a couple of these recipes were pretty tasty when I tried them at the time of the OP and ensuing toing and froing.  Although not in the BIR style, I look forward to trying them again.

You can't always count on internet sites to find what we assumed would be a personal resource.  There was a great reference to many things "Cooking"  on a site hosted by the Celtic Society.  Hundreds of international spice blends, condiment recipes and sauces.  Brilliant but gone.

PS:  Edit :  Phil, you are an inspiration.  I have just relocated the archive of the celtnet.org.uk site.  Whoo-hooo.
This site is a treasure trove to a spice junky. Everything from Cajun Blackened fish spice to 1840's Victorian original Arnott's Curry Powder

https://web.archive.org/web/20140708214235/http://www.celtnet.org.uk/recipes/miscellaneous/spice-blend.php

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Talk About Anything Other Than Curry / Re: Is CRO as a forum finished.
« on: December 14, 2017, 11:54 PM »
P' Phil. There was no great understanding of curry in 1960's Australia.  Curried sausages and curried egg sandwiches are a long way away from anything related to traditional curry countries.  I say I only use Clive of India powder in these instances because it is the powder that my mother used to use and the flavour is still consistent with my early memory.

George. I'm not a Facebook user either so I can't help you there.  All I do know is that it has completely replaced  some online forums.

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Talk About Anything Other Than Curry / Re: Is CRO as a forum finished.
« on: December 13, 2017, 10:04 PM »
Hi again. I notice that a few comments suggest the forum is quiet. Having not visited for over 2 years, I wasn't aware of this but I have knowledge of other forums experiencing the same downturn in activity.  It may be similar here.

The culprit. Facebook. 

I was an active member on several different website based forums in the same format as this CRO forum.  Between 2 and 3 years ago the level of forum activity dropped off to near nothing and in one case my last posting from around 30 months ago was the most recent post on the Splash page when I last looked in earlier this year. That site is now completely gone.

I actually know several forum members personally and the reason they stopped using the site was because they were more satisfied with the similarly themed Facebook pages instead.  I just wonder if the same may be the case here.  I don't have a Facebook account, (or Instagram or Twitter or any other Social Media), so I'm not sure if there exists BIR or Curry based Facebook pages.

As for mix powder, I have used it as specified in some particular recipes otherwise it wasn't the recipe.  From memory I think Chewy Tikka's version was one that I quite liked and used fairly frequently.

I was always a bit confused by the use of pre-mixed powder (curry powder) in the production of "mix-powder."  The curry powder could be Keens, Clive of India, Nirapara, Kitchen King or a generic mild madras to name just a few. The resulting mix powder would be different. When you analyse the ingredient listing of these and then use them to "create a mix powder", it becomes obvious that all you are really doing as altering the ratios of the existing spice ingredients.

I will say that the only Curry Powder I ever use in Curried Sausages or Curried eggs is Clive of India. Nothing else works to recreate the flavour from my childhood.

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Talk About Anything Other Than Curry / Re: Is CRO as a forum finished.
« on: December 06, 2017, 11:07 PM »
G'day all from Downunder. :)
I returned to the site this morning for the first time since September 12 2015. I'd lost my recipe for Lizottes Lamb Shanks and I knew I'd posted it on here in a thread about achieving tender fall apart lamb.  It isn't a curry but the thread was about the cooking process.  So a password forgotten and reset plus a little searching has paid off.  All good.

Yesterday I was able to purchase nearly 10 kgs of lamb leg for only $4/kg.  It's usually $10/kg down here now.  I've boned it all out so it's tender lamb in Italian Napolitano Sauce tonight and definitely some pressure cooked lamb curry for a couple of meals coming up as well.

But then:  What should I also find at the top of the recent posts list but this thread?  Very Sad :(

On July 03 2015 Admin locked a thread "Is the CRO forum dying?" because it had become quite inflamed and raw.  I see some reference made to certain events from that period in the posts above by members who were active at the time.  I recall the somewhat unpleasant environment that ensued around this time and I will say that is was certainly a contributing factor in my decision to abstain from visiting (albeit not the only one). I was invited to "Jump Ship" at the time but I was already a member of the 3 main curry forums, I never really understood the "Us vs Them".  I know the story behind it all but to be honest from way down here it seemed a bit remote.  It all had nothing to do with me and was before my time on this site.  I basically stopped visiting any cooking sites and instead chose to use the valuable knowledge already gained here and elsewhere and pursue my own path. Plus my family was curried out and would groan at the mention of Rogan Josh.

The depth of knowledge  and general helpful attitude of mostly everyone here, and on the other sites, helped my cooking beyond my wildest expectations.  I tried to visit a different site earlier and got an "Error 404: site not found on this server" message.  Maybe that site is dead.

If this forum is dying, it is a terribly slow death, or perhaps the fact that it is still here may suggest it isn't.  I doubt very much that I'll be resuming my past activity levels but I will have a look around over the next day or so to see what is being discussed and cooked.

It was nice to immediately see a couple of old friends usernames pop up straight away.  Phil, George, Stephen Lindsay, Littlechilie

Hey Sverige ol'mate, are you still cooking those odd shaped pizzas? ;D ;D ;D

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Pictures of Your Curries / Re: BIR Bulk Cooking.
« on: September 11, 2015, 11:49 PM »
I will check out the other bulk cook recipes. Thanks dalpuri. It is a shame lc hasn't returned to give the details as he said he would 6 weeks ago.

I'm just still curious to know about reduced spice ratios for increased volume preparations and I have a big job in the next 3 to 4 days.

Does reduced spicing apply to bulk cook pre-cooked meats?
Is 1.5 * spice for each double in volume apply or not?

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Pictures of Your Curries / Re: BIR Bulk Cooking.
« on: September 11, 2015, 09:48 AM »
Anybody else prepared to step up into littlechillies shoes to discuss this.. A question with more than 2 weeks notice and a PM without response is the sign of a dead forum in my opinion.

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Pictures of Your Curries / Re: BIR Bulk Cooking.
« on: September 01, 2015, 04:52 AM »
Hey LC, any chance of going here again? I've been lovingly recruited by SHMBO to prepare a bulk cook of some curries in 2 weeks time and I'd really like to know your rate of non-proportional spice variation for increased quantity.  I'll be cooking 2 or 3 different dishes plus rice and naan for 30 - 40 people.

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This is how I would read it, for what it's worth. 

In step 1, where it says to cook the listed ingredients, you would use your own method of choice, ie; in oil or water, or as I would, using both. You could pre-fry the onions in oil, or not, to vary the flavour to your own preference.

Having accomplished that, the rest of the process is fairly direct.  The consistency of the finished base is another matter of individual preference, and additional water, or not, is to suite your own palate.  I prefer a thicker sauce in my curry so I'd not add any.

I will definitely be trying this ingredient list out and I thank the OP for this rare contribution to a thread other than WFDTJ.  I also support his argument in favour of not freezing.  For a while now I have been scaling down my bases to more "home based" proportions for immediate use.

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