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Ronnoc,

In summary I am in no doubt the ronnoc base is quality.

Going fwd I would like help on the cooking stage ie technique & spice. say by chatting with the chef (who clearly knows his stuff) on his favourite dish and how to make it.

I outline below the detail behind these thoughts.

My thoughts are very closely aligned with ronnoc?s. I am in no doubt of the quality of the ronnoc base. I also made the korma (the 1st I?ve ever had ? being totally against my up bringing in brum on balties and therefore dedicated to chilli, garlic & tomato). The korma was definitely restaurant quality. I had not used sugar in a curry before and was surprised how it lifted the korma. I used powdered almond which we thought was ok but probably not likely to be as good as creamed coconut which we use for CA?s Chicken Tika Masala. I intend to try the almond in the CTM next time to compare fully (possibly a proportion of each). Due to my level of expertise I found the cooking method difficult (adding dry powders) and would change slightly (add curry powder as paste, add almonds & condensed milk after the base).

Back to the base. I had some parker21 base so 1st made my std madras (gleaned from the various nuggets on the CRO). The method for info (the qty?s are down to preference and suit me) : frying pan on high heat, add oil (1 tbsp), add garlic/ginger paste (2 tbsp), fry until raw smell has gone (this is probably about 1 min and involves stirring and moving the pan off the heat so as not to burn), add spice paste (1 tsp LB?s spice mix, 2 tbsp tom puree, water to make runny paste) and fry until water is almost gone (see other posts termed ?toffee? smell), add ? ladle base (50 to 75ml) and fry again until water almost gone, add 3 ladle of base, add splash of worcester sauce and cook on medium heat for typ 5 mins, not essential but sometimes add some chopped coriander just before the end.

I set about repeating this using the ronnoc base. 1st go - result disappointing (nb ronnoc base is more bland than parker 21). 2nd go repeated but added garam masala (2 pinches) but result was worse (spices no longer in balance). 3rd go repeated std but increased spice mix to 3 tsp. Result was ?essentially? as good as curry made with the parker21 base.

The reason for ?essentially? is:
a) the depth of spice is better in parker21 due to the larger qty of garam masala. I think this is where ronnoc?s chefs experience must takeover at the cooking stage in that he can get the spice mix spot on for the base which I can only do through trial an error over a long period of time. I think the addition of garam masala at the base stage adds depth of spice without anyone spice overpowering at the end of the curry cooking stage.
b) I think the introduction of the celery and cabbage in the ronnoc base added depth and texture. I think the coconut in the parker21 would also benefit the ronnoc base

This leaves me thinking that once a quality base is achieved (both ronnoc and parker21 are) the difference between the bases has little impact on the final curry. It is the technique and spices at the cooking stage which now have to be targeted to achieve the next step change in our abilities.

once again, ronnoc thanks for your help and stick with us.

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ronnoc,

many thanks for your efforts please keep going.

i've made the base and it's certainly very different to anything i've tasted. you certainly get a very good yield (volume) - my pans full.

i've used KD for many years and switched since joining the forum to parker21 which i class as a delux base (the key differences to KD being addition of carrot, green pepper, coconut milk & garam masala). i am having very good success with this base making CA's Chicken Tika Masala and madras curry.

i don't like celery and surprisingly had to buy from ASDA (none in stock at my Indian supermarket - either they don't keep it or it was sold out).

i like the smell of the base cooking (i think down to the celery) and was amazed that you can't taste it in the final base sauce.

although sceptical of the cabbage (you've guessed it not keen on it either) i think it made a significant improvement to the smoothness and taste.

in summary so far very impressed:
1) thumbs up celery and cabbage
2) did not miss the smaller proportion of tomatoes that i would normally use
3) would add more garam next time (personal preference or due to using made curry powder - Bruce Edwards)

i am cooking using it tonight so will post results.

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star anise & garam masala

i've just started using star anise in the garam i make and believe it?s a major improvement. (for info based on KD's but: 1/2 cumin to coriander, no black cardamom, casia instead of cinnamon, addition of mint).

i also tried secret santa's suggestion to add just a little garam almost at the end of cooking and i felt it was worthwhile and now adopted a "pinch" as standard.

i also tried a splash of worcester sauce after adding the bulk of the base sauce. this too has now been adopted as standard.

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Haldi, i (and am sure most of us) have great thanks and hopes for ronnoc.

since joining the site i've switched base from slight mod KD to parker21. initially i was a total disbeliever in carrots and green pepper but now totally sold (i think they add texture, smoothness and depth).

i intend to make ronnoc's base next. in the meantime i'd be very interested in your thoughts on what the celery and cabbage did - do they stand out or do you thing they are like garlic in that you can't tell that they are there but would miss them if they weren't.

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Adrianavidb, thanks for following up on the ingredients.

i was particularly interested in your view
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and it certainly did not incorporate cumin and garam massala

i find that at the cooking stage these add spice "depth" but create an imbalance where one spice overpowers the rest. i found parker21 base very interesting as it adds garam to the base. i am having very good success with this base making madras & CTM (i also having made KD base for yrs but not used the recipes).

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Curry Base Chat / Re: My Saffron Journey Part One, Two, Three & Four
« on: January 28, 2008, 08:34 AM »
above comments sit well with me too.

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My Spice mix 25g each of turmeric, coriander, cumin, paprika - 1/2 the tin of tomatoes

i think the spice mix is quite crucial. i don't use turmeric as i don't like the taste or colour that it adds. I also find the cumin can be overpowering so use in the proportion 1:2 cumin: coriander. i also like toms and would use full tin or even 2 of toms.

the parker21 base also adds garam masala to the base which i think is quite crucial particularly for me who adds star anise to the garam (rest as KD but no black cardomon).

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this dish sounds very similar to the one i'm trying to find (see post "Sylheti Recipe - anyone got a good one?".

the sylheti does not have the 1/4 chillies in but everything else is the same - brown colour with plenty of sliced garlic that has been fried. i know that the sylheti is based on a bhuna but i'm stuck on as to what else is in it.

hope this helps anyhow.

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appreciate it's a few months since the original post but hopeful the following additional info may help track down this spot on dish.

also aware of the similar more recent post by parker21 "the star", "recipe for balti garlic chilli chicken tikka masala".

the dish is known as, "Sylheti" or "special garlic chicken". i know it is made as a "bhuna" style curry but differs in that it contains a very large amount of garlic.

any thoughts on recipe very much appreciated.

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Tandoori Dishes / Re: CTM - Chicken Tikka Masala
« on: January 19, 2008, 04:57 PM »
spot on  recipe, family loved it and said restaurant standard no messing, many thanks to you Cory.

i thought the creamed coconut to be crucial (ie the block type). i also added the leftover marinade from the chicken tikka. i didn't bother with any sugar. i also added chopped coriander about 5 mins before serving and felt this ramped up the flavour (added the garnish as well). i used parker21's "toffee/choking" smell method of cooking the spice mix. i used the parker21 base.

just for info i made a 2nd batch with everything the same except swapping my standard made spice mix for a bought tandoori masala. there was a sever reduction in taste.


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tried both UB's and CA's naan with the same meal. i cooked both on gas BBQ and therefore can't comment on results for hob.

i did put the egg and 2 tbsp of caster sugar in both. i also did not mess about on the making side (powers in, liquid in, mix, knead).

the testers knew there were 2 types but could not distinguish between and said "naans were fine" (their definition of fine being not bad at all).

i favoured UB's as i think a yeast base gives a nicer taste. i'm not 100% sure but think the self raising flour gives more of a pastry after taste.

i personally did not think there was not sufficient difference to change from normal KD recipe though.

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