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Messages - Derek Dansak

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Hi all,
Been knocking out 5 or 6 new prawn jalfrezzi recipies this week, and settled on 1 as close to real bir ta.

The only thing that really separates this jalfrezzi from the one at my local ta is the missing smokey tangy taste.  I seem to remember some forum members achieved this smokey taste way back.

Anyone got any ideas on this?

Got a fridge full of base, but I am clean out of inspirational ideas !  darn  :)


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Hi Unclefrank

I use this from a book, so cant claim it as my own. although I use my own base and garam masala and this knocks the socks of the version in the kushi book which has a odd base. still a good book though.

3 - 5 tbs ghee or sunflower oil

2 garlic cloves  chopped

1 onion chopped

5 tsp kushi spice mix   (this has garlic and ginger powder + garam masala in it)

1 ripe sweet tomato  chopped

lamb pre cooked

2 ladels of base sauce (a thin light base sauce is a must, not to spicy not to oily )  200 - 250 ml

fresh coriander.

this needs reducing down at medium heat, (not as hot and quick as I would cook e.g. a madras)
longer cooking and slower seems to also produce a great flavor. presumably because the tomato breaks down more and the oil absorbs more sweet tomato flavor.

the technique is fry garlic , add some onion continue frying, remove from heat add tomato, spice mix for 30 secs, don't burn spices,  add meat and base and simmer medium heat until reduced down to dry .

if you have any spiced oil from banjura paste then a little can be used at the start.

hope this helps.

the kushi spice mix works well with a good garam masala , so its worth trying a few garam mixes of the web to see which is best. also this dish needs pre cooked lamb to achieve a real bir flavour. lamb and tomato really go well.

enjoy!

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Hi spiceyoko

yes I agree a lot of spice.

having recently been trying a few curries from the kushi book which often uses 2 or 3 tsps spice mix with 1 or 2 ladels of base I feel I made a mistake for several years using 1 measily tsp spice mix for 350 ml of base. its not what really happens in the bir kitchen I visit.

time and time again I have seen much more spice mix in use by the head chef.

I used to find this odd but not anymore. if the base is good, the recipe is good and the spice mix is matching it works well.

for example with rogan josh they start with a lot of watery thin base and lots of spice mix and reduce it down for 3  -4 mins , then add more base after 4 mins and reduce down again. This mopps up the spice mix and cooks out the strong taste of spice. Its a much bolder style of cooking than I used to do 3 years ago where I never dared to use so much spice mix and base.

they are easily using 550 - 600 ml of base in total ,  to produce 1 portion of TA curry.

by the end though its reduced down to 300 ml.

if you try this approach at home it quickly becomes apparent if there are any imperfections in your base or spice mix .   if the base is too thick or tastes to much of something it will only show up more once you reduce it down by 200 ml.

Its why I am always suspicious of the bases on cr0 that are thick, heavily spiced and very oily.
However I am probably very bias because I have only ever seen 1 real bir chef cook. Its just he is so dam good !

the base at my local is different to any on cr0 (taste, lack of strong spice taste, balance and thinness)
they add all the oil fresh to the pan, and most of the spice, and end with a sublime taste.
the fresh ghee oil ends up full of flavor , but starts as fresh oil.

 
 

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handy those interpreters !   :)

goncalo, I searched and found the ask recipe minutes before writing this thread. Its now on my list to try.

I re made the admins jalfrezzi last night and the technique is what makes it so good, spot on mr admin.

I used some veg ghee at high temp and got a nice smokey tangy curry which is a first for me.

So I still feel admins jelfrezzi is top notch.

I will try asts next and write up my thoughts.

I think these 2 recipies need a thin light base to get the results I am after IMHO.

the repeated reduction of sauce and adding water and further reduction works great with jalfrezzi.

at my local bir they use the most light watery base on the planet ! unlike any base at cr0.

 Their curry is sublime. they ladel 500 ml or more of base into each pan, and 2 or 3 tbs spice mix and reduce right down multiple times. their jalfrezzi is hot spicy and sweet and tangy all at once.  a real gem.

I guess its the technique best suited to jalfrezzi.

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 Hi fellow curry queens!

whats the latest development in jhalfrezi , i.e. best recipe , spice mix etc.

have not made jalfrezi since admins jalfrezi recipe a few years back, which was tasty. I am sure things have moved along since then and hopefully improved a little. Or maybe not !  :)
Because this dish uses a lot of spice mix I would be interested to hear views on that too

any thoughts ?

cheers DD

 

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Lets Talk Curry / Re: Doing it the lazy way?
« on: March 18, 2013, 12:16 PM »
Interesting post.  I agree with axe, stick to bir methods.
    Alternatively you can make up large batches of curry sauce by making 3 large tubs of
1) blended onion
2) blended carrot
3) blended tomato

for madras you might add only 1 and 3   along with the spices and lots of oil

for balti you would add 1,2 

its easy to scale this up to 30 portions and makes a smooth sauce.

The curry  needs a long slow cook and develops a great taste. I would add the chicken to the sauce for
30  minutes then remove it and keep it in fridge. This improves the curry sauce flavour.

This approach is worth considering if you run a business.
If i opened a bir restaurant i would do my ctm like this and balti.
then use bir method for madras and rogan josh, and bhuna.
I dream of opening a restaurant one day !!    :)

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Lets Talk Curry / Re: What When and Why
« on: March 17, 2013, 05:51 PM »
Its so true that bir cut corners to make profit, and usually compromise taste. but not always.

I know of 1 bir in the poorest local village that produces the taste at 4 quid for madras , and its top notch.

and they have been in business for over 15 years

never let me in the kitchen though ! 

so i am not convinced its all down to expenses. 

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Personally i think the missing taste is 30% down to an awesome meat / chicken stock.  I am still working on this , but remain very optimistic based on my previous results

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Lets Talk Curry / Re: What is your favorite mix powder and why?
« on: March 17, 2013, 05:39 PM »
Hi mate,

ok here is the exact mix i wrote down in my notes approx 4 years ago.

coriander powder -  2 parts
cumin powder - 1 part
paprika powder-  2 parts
curry powder  3 parts
 tumeric powder  4 parts
 from the best bir ta in hastings east sussex from a really nice head chef who inspired my cooking
even to this day.

buy the best paprika you can find, it makes a difference. cheap paprika is crappy crappy  :)

i found swartz mild curry powder worked well (this is what they use)  or rajah mild madras curry powder
is very good.   bolst mild curry powder works well to.

always use fresh spices no older than 6 months and store in small air tight container.

enjoy


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Lets Talk Curry / Re: What is your favorite mix powder and why?
« on: March 17, 2013, 05:12 PM »
Yes 1 was available , named DD spice mix about 1 or 2 years ago. however not sure if its still stored on cr0. presumably because stew and the cr0 administrators dont have enough space to store everything ever posted over the last 5 years. 
     I will re post the spice mix tomorow when i find the exact measurments given to me by the chef.
      I always return to it , so its stood the test of time.   as i said before its great in dhansak recipies.   

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